Probass, on 15 March 2011 - 10:58 PM, said:

Fixed.

By the way, do you think they put all the tracks the Chems made on the OST ? I mean if you listen to the whole thing, it's just around 50 minutes long, wich is quite short. I read somewhere that Tron Legacy features some tracks that weren't released on the OST so it might be the same for Hanna. Also I wonder if the tracks on the OST appear in the same order as in the movie.

And already burnt a CD of course !

Love the discussions here, would like to give some replies

Probass, on 15 March 2011 - 10:58 PM, said:

I don't see the use of that. Once you have the CD you can easily import it to iTunes, so why also download? Rather get yourself something real and buy the CD and the vinyl, this is what I have always done and will always do. It seems Hanna might be the first exception to that as no physical release scheduled so far - what makes you think there's going to be one?

WhiteNoise, on 15 March 2011 - 11:13 PM, said:

it's just fair! most graphic designers work that way, hm? "talent borrows, genius steals" (Oscar Wilde)- and as long as the results are something unique and have a distinct character everything is fine with that.

cannot wait to see your artwork, wn!

Probass, on 16 March 2011 - 12:29 AM, said:

xeah a lot of them. a lot! (somehow I managed to get Hanna, hm)

WhiteNoise, on 16 March 2011 - 2:12 AM, said:

absolutely agree here, and the h.p. pic is epic, sooo much better a cover it would have been for that CD given away for free with that newspaper in the UK. brilliant.

mx/, on 16 March 2011 - 3:03 AM, said:

yup, quite cool!

So listening to it right now and again after it. It's a soundtrack that creates a lot of atmosphere with keeping the Chemical Brothers sound in there. I wonder if it's in chronological order, have to wait for the movie for that. 50 minutes of OST, makes you wonder how long the movie itself we be.
I have no end-verdict yet except being good, Escape Wavefold stands out.

satur8, on 16 March 2011 - 12:01 AM, said:

Reading your comment on iTunes I have to ask you a question. The coolest feature on iTunes is that you can download cover art to add to your mp3 file. I know of no other player that can do that. Even Gracenote sucks at what is does. Do you know other players that gives you the oppertunity to download cover art? ( yeah I read you don't care much about cover art but maybe you know the answer to my question)

To me iTunes is a free media player before anything else, when I started using it the store didn't even exist.

Ok I listened 3 times in a row now to this soundtrack.
If the album is in chronological order (the same order as in the movie itself) I think we've seen the most exciting stuff in the trailer. Probably the movie won't be longer than 100 minutes.
Hanna's theme vocal version seems to be the track for the end credits. Container Park would be the climax/conclusion of the film. Or maybe Container park is the first track for the end credits and Escape Wavefold is the climax movie part.
Most intersting about the soundtrack are all the short soundbites. It seems not only the soundtrack creates the atmosphere in the movie but the sounds THEMSELVES are created by the Chemical Brothers.
IMO the tracks on Hanna are better and create more atmosphere than Daft Punks Tron Legacy soundtrack but that Tron soundtrack is a better album as a whole.
Maybe that's the greatest acomplisment by Tom and Ed, not to create an album as/for themselves but an actual sound for the movie.

I'm pretty sure that the album soundtrack doesn't fit the film order.
We saw a trailer with "escape wavefold" used on the escape of Hanna, and this happen on the first part of the film (logic), but "escape wavefold" is the 18th track...

I'm surprised nobody noticed they use the "lfo effect" in "interrogation/lonesome subway", the same they are using live at the beginning of Snow since the Rounhouse last year ^^

I also hear some sounds from Horse Power in Hanna vs Marissa.

BoywiththeGoldenEyes, on 16 March 2011 - 9:58 AM, said:

Isn't that from Pablo Picasso ?

The bloke off the internet, on 16 March 2011 - 6:53 PM, said:

no, it's most definitely from oscar wilde. picasso said "bad artists copy. great artists steal" but picasso lived a bit later than wilde.

Joslyn, on 16 March 2011 - 10:19 AM, said:

Good question. This definitely falls into one of the convenient iTunes advantages.

I use a program called 'Tag and Rename' for my ID3 files and images. I do this outside of my media player (along with downloading the cover artwork from Google). It's an extra step, but sometimes I find tasks such as this relaxing if I get downtime. I will do this type of "paperwork" task when sitting undisturbed reviewing new music. The only detractor is when I fall behind.

If I haven't said so before, I am very much looking forward to this soundtrack. The extremely positive reviews are exciting and I like what I've heard so far.

WhiteNoise, on 16 March 2011 - 1:12 AM, said:

I think if we're going to make comparisons we should stick to the medium of art. If René Magritte took Salvador Dali's melting clocks

and put it into his work, do you think that would be acceptable? There are stock images available to use but with doing so, you must credit the photographer so therefore it is not truly your work.

85%? Where did you come up with this percentage? It's completely erroneous! The main focal point of that image is a horse created by somebody else. You can take credit for drawing on somebody elses artwork, but that is all.

Why on Earth would you have to dress a man in black? You really do not have an imagination do you? You can create orginal art and still stay true to the theme of the album.

This is the trouble now days, everybody has access to an image editing suite such as Photoshop so they think they're an artist by applying a few automatic filters to a piece of somebody elses work.

Csar, on 16 March 2011 - 2:01 AM, said:

Ok, I will give it a go once I am back on PC as my beautiful CRT monitor blew up and now I've gone over to the dark side and had to buy (due to the fact nobody makes CRT's anymore) an LCD

In the old days, I used to drink a lot. I don't drink anymore.

iguanapunk, on 16 March 2011 - 12:37 PM, said:

Wow there's like 3 different conversations going on in this thread, hahaha. It's like a pub in here!

But I would like to just state my piece here.

In my opinion the lines are easily blurred between borrowing and stealing in terms of artwork. There are as many shades of gray in this area as there are shades of green. There's also fine art, and commercial art.

The Horse Power image that WhiteNoise made is really cool and I like the latin slant and the overall art direction he used. However if push came to shove, and WhiteNoise started making money off his Horse Power image you can bet some tails would be ruffled as far as copyrights are concerned.


Is it really unoriginal to take a piece of artwork and add some personal touches and call it original? I don't know. I don't think that's our call. I don't know if photoshop programs are the trouble, either.

I remember getting into a 'discussion' with another artist when I worked at Tower (when I was doing displays). We needed another person in the art department so I asked this girl who worked behind the register if she was interested. I knew she was going to art school so I thought she'd be the perfect person to ask. But when I did, I basically got lectured with her ridiculous diatribe on how she was a 'real' artist who painted 'real and original' artwork and that basically, what I was doing was pop commercial shit. Even if I was adding my own style and technique, it was still shit because I was basically "copying" album covers, as she put it.

Anyway. Not really sure where I'm going with this. I definitely see where you're coming from but I also see where WN is at, too. I don't think it's entirely fair to imply a lack of originality.

Krisper, on 15 March 2011 - 6:42 PM, said:

Excellent. I've been doing a little programming in C++ for my lab job. I mostly use an OpenGL library called COIN3D to create fairly rudimentary models of various things. I've learned the basics of animation, using engine nodes and whatnot. Then I utilize mostly borrowed code to create CAVElib apps that put it on a 3D VR system.
Otherwise, I've used Java for my basic programming classes. I'm interested in learning C#—
from what I have heard, it is something between C++ and Java. I'm not fond of Java for some reasons, such as it being rather "wordy" when all you want to do is a cout, but at other times I miss using the +operator as concatenation.
I actually started out in webdesign, and I've been wanting to self-teach myself some more javascript. Have you seen the Katamari javascript?

javascript:var i,s,ss=['http://kathack.com/js/kh.js','http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.5.1/jquery.min.js'];for(i=0;i!=ss.length;i++){s=document.createElement('script');s.src=ss[i];document.body.appendChild(s);}void(0);

It is pretty awesome, try injecting it!

in The Devil Is In The Details, you can hear at 2:22 a Theremin (I think)... Could it be Ed playing his Theremin? Which he got for his birthday

Probass, on 17 March 2011 - 1:07 PM, said:

That script is so funny Probass, I destroyed this forum page:-


All of my C++ work has just been console stuff, nothing graphical, apart from playing with DarkGDK which is a C++ game making program. Do you work with CAVE? How awesome. I have been into VR for years, have a few gadgets. Never even seen a CAVE let alone work with one.

The more I learn the more I find that changing languages is not that hard. Once you have a good grounding in any low level language it is pretty easy to pick up a new one. I could chat all day about coding

Sorry for the off topic stuff.

Joslyn, on 16 March 2011 - 9:34 AM, said:

I'm inclined to think the music is also in chronological order (doesn't the Hanna's theme vocal version sound like it would be a perfect match for when the credits are rolling?) But I really haven't put too much thought into it. I love this soundtrack but I'm trying so hard not to dissect it too much, or rather, dissect it in terms of how I think it will sound in a movie I haven't seen yet. Since this is a soundtrack and know the premise of the film, it's kind of difficult because I just want to talk about how the music is creating these pictures in my head.

The atmospheric sounds you mention are really intriguing I think - even the tiny bits (like sun collapse) they add so much texture to the songs and feel of the soundtrack. I like those the soft hisses that rise up to the surface of Marissa flashback. The percolating bits (very reminiscent of Harpoons) that are past the 3 minutes mark on interrogation/lonesome subway/Grimm's house triplet. And that haunted isolated howl which sounds almost like a eerie variation of those twinkling music box melodies.

Speaking of variations, there are a lot of recurring themes (understandably). The howl which feels a bit like a cold chill, or a dangerous, unwarranted presence you can't see but you know is there. There's that whistle in Devil Is In The Beats which sounds as though it's carried over from the twinkle melodies. And those twinkling melodies sound like a real music box. You know, like those little trinket holding music boxes that all little girls have that that play fairy tale music... Anyway.

What's fascinating are the plays between dark and light in the soundtrack.

I think the movie is going to be twisted. Can't wait to see it!

nekoland, on 16 March 2011 - 8:34 PM, said:

Hmmmmm........ Interesting observation. That would be cool if the theramin was busted out. I want to see that shit live, ha!

Csar, on 15 March 2011 - 6:41 PM, said:

it's 2!

WhiteNoise, on 15 March 2011 - 6:12 PM, said:

That's pretty damn good!

mx/, on 15 March 2011 - 7:03 PM, said:

iguanapunk, on 16 March 2011 - 12:37 PM, said:

I use to do that alot back in college, but it bit me in the ass later on when it came to jobs. One point for example was going to an interview with my portfolio and immediately the employer found that half of my work wasn't original (even though I created my own interpretation of the original piece)


Anyway, I haven't DL the Hanna OST yet! I'm not a fan of Itunes either. I just go to the Chems myspace for now!
But I will buy it before the movie hits the theaters

iguanapunk, on 16 March 2011 - 8:37 PM, said:

what the fuck did andy warhol do then with the campbell soup can?



whitenoise is a young lad, he's got some talent and I think it will grow and he'll be getting better and better, also coming up with totally new and own things.

iggy, you're just a miserable cunt, but I mean this in a very nice way.

whirlygirl, on 16 March 2011 - 11:11 PM, said:

I honestly believe that using somebody elses work in your work means that you have created something that is not original. Sure, you might have an original take on a pre-existing piece but it's not wholly original.

That artist sounds like a dream! Got her number? There may be a place for that kind of art in a record shop but not in a gallery.

I was hoping to hear your opinion on it Whirls And I think it's entirely fair to brand him with that stamp.