Is it just me or does 'The Boxer' sound eerily like a palookaville track? (of course done 20 times better) And am I the only one that thinks Shake break bounce sounds like a lost Basement Jaxx song?

I have to agree... Even if both are also typically Chemical.

I agree, when i first herd the boxer it reminded me of the palookaville style. It was the first think that struke me about the track. Particularly the drums. However it is still so much better that the genral Palookaville style.



I spose you could draw simularites between Shake break bounce and some Jaxx tunes.

Palookaville has totaly put me off Fatboy

There's some all-right parts about Palookaville that I find enjoyable. There's some songs that I think are pretty good, actually. My husband really likes the record... Me, I got a little tired of it rather quickly which isn't a good sign. The records I enjoy most are the ones that have longevity. Ones that I can listen to my heart's content, put away on the shelf for a while, and come back to later and they still sound good. I really like Fatboy, he's a lot of fun and I respect him for what he is, but I just don't get that longevity feeling with Palookaville as I get with Better Living Through Chemistry, You've Come A Long Way and to some extent, Halfway Between the Gutter and Stars.



I've also read a few interviews with Fatboy when Palookaville was released. I get the feeling that he's been through a lot while making Palookaville, I felt a bit sad when reading some stuff - marriage woes and putting that back together, being stalked by the media, even hints that he's battling some sort of depression (which he tries to combat by surrounding himself with happy face buttons and other smiley paraphenalia.) Anyway. His methods, though they've worked for him in the past, have not changed as far as making records go. He still uses the same equipment and still adheres strictly to the Fatboy formula which (and this is where he differs from the Chems in this aspect) seems to have compromised his growth as a musician. And while there's the old adage "if it's not broken, don't fix it", and I commend Fatboy for sticking with what works for him, I think in his case - just so he can move foward as a musician who has finally found his niche in dance music - greasing the old wheel might be a welcome change not just for him, but for his fans as well. Of course that's just my opinion. From what I gather, he's aware of what's happening in dance music at the moment, he's aware that the popularity of such things comes and goes in cycles - he's just riding out the storm because it gives him a sort of escape, gives him something to do.

i only like north west tree. and mi bebe masoquista.

Fatboy should do more serious songs like Camber Sands and Sunset (Bird of Prey) instead of all these dumbass party songs that sound like he didn't spent much time on 'm or did it on the automatic pilot.

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Anyway. His methods, though they've worked for him in the past, have not changed as far as making records go. He still uses the same equipment and still adheres strictly to the Fatboy formula which (and this is where he differs from the Chems in this aspect) seems to have compromised his growth as a musician.

I respect whirly's opinion, even if I think Palookaville is good, but I have to disagree here : actually for this last album, Norman has included live instruments (guitar and bass, played by either guests or himself (bass)) used pro tools for the first time instead of the old Atari + Akai Smapler formula and (probably as a result) changed his way of writing, working more on the structure of tracks, (probably because most of the singer collaborations tracks have a pop structure of verse, bridge chorus)



I cannot disagree about the Fatboy formula (just listen so slach dot dash (my least favorite track probably) and he certainly doesn't have the majesty of the chems as far as reinventig hiw writing method goes, but on the other hand, I find this album quite fresh, I mean, except on a few anecdotic tracks on "Halfway... ", having guest vocalists (especially in this way: proper songs, as opposed to using voice tracks as samples) is a very new thing.



And yes, according to what have read from various sources, the last few years probably have been very hard for him, plus it must be quite hard to hit forty when you've lived an hedonistic life in the past, plus the death of big beat, plus the fact that Blur's Think Tank was not really as success and Graham Coxon left the band in part because of him disagreeing with norman production.. I mean, when you take all this in account, it is a miracle the album is as good as it is.



I think other artists should not be looked down at just because they are not as divine as the chems, but one should turn this the other way round and admit that as far as writing electronic music goes, the brothers are suprahuman.



(Oh, and "Smiley parapharnelia"... That's a really good one!!!)

The drum sounds at the end of the intro in the boxer is a lot like the middle drum break in slash dot dash. Fatboy is doing his own thing and he doesn't seem to be copying the chemical brothers. His music is different, he has different approaches to making music in general. As the chems said he has different musical ideas. I have big respect for him because of that.

TryptaJunk, that's a great way of looking at things! Thanks for the info on new equipment Fatboy is employing. You are right, judging by what we know of Fatboy and what he's gone through, it is somewhat miraculous that Palookaville turned out the way it did.



Personally I like the Dick Dale-esque/Ventures-esque/surf guitar he used in some of the tracks. I think he must have some sort of affinity for (K)alifornia, or living at the ocean seems to have rubbed off on him!



And to bring this thread back to the original post - the Bassment Jaxx reference to Shake Break Bounce. Hmmm. At first I was like, whaaaa? But I see what you mean. The Latin feel of Shake Break Bounce with it's quick strumming on the guitar could lead to some parallels to Jaxx's Bingo Bango maybe. An interesting observation.

It kind of does. The Boxer is much better, though...and it's obviously the chemical brothers.



I still liked Palookaville even though it wasn't Fatboy Slim at his greatest.

IMHO Norman hit his creative height with Better Living and has been on a fast downward spiral to pidgeonholeville. his earlier works, even before Better Living have way more creative breadth than his current work. Now all he does is his hackneyed pseudo granulization vocal tricks... blah... wheres the next everybody needs a 303?

I don't think the Basement Jaxx would have made Shake Break Bounce so funky and experimental. Thankfully it's a Chems track and I think a style they should try more often in the future.

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I don't think the Basement Jaxx would have made Shake Break Bounce so funky and experimental. Thankfully it's a Chems track and I think a style they should try more often in the future.

If they do that I'm gonna ritually burn all my Chems stuff.

shake break bounce sounds too urban, its not that i dont like it but i wouldnt agree with them doing that more often. its not right!