I found yesterday links where you can download The New Further Album...
Its disgusting. DOES ANYBODY maby know a Way how to stop those Fuckes!

Please Give me some Samples or Ideas for what can be done !?!

Leave that to EMI

stardoktor, on 07 June 2010 - 02:03 PM, said:

If someone did know how to put an end to illegal file sharing they would probably win the Nobel Peace Prize

Obi Wan Kenobi said:

You can stop it by nuking the internet. Good luck.

Here, have this bumper sticker:

Persuade others to join the 'cause'.

Would downloading the album at this point be the same as owning a copy of a live set?

We do not own the rights to any live set and we can not purchase the rights/music. One in the same or no?

mesamm99, on 07 June 2010 - 10:55 AM, said:

No, DLing Further now would be the same as downloading the album illegally. If you had bootlegged the roundhouse show, then that would be a different story.

Most of the lives (on Ben_j's FTP) were recorded by use of handheld recorder brought to the show, or taken from radio broadcasts. It's basically the same as recording a TV broadcast and posting it on youtube. Not illegal. There were quite a few videos of EV from Coachella on youtube. They weren't taken down.

What I'm trying to say is, just because the album was played in full at the Roundhouse doesn't make it okay to download the leak of the album.

mesamm99, on 07 June 2010 - 05:55 PM, said:

Its not really the same, its partly about financial investment. Further is a product that cost money to make and should therefore cost money to buy. Part of the money you pay for Further will go to Tom and Ed, who obviously have to make a living out of giving us all this great music, and the other part of the money you pay for Further goes to the record label who will actually use a fair percentage of it to re-invest in other (perhaps newer and younger) bands who in this day and age desperately need it.

With a live concert the product is the show itself which is paid for primarily from concert tickets but also record sales. So the money you spend on Further will actually help buy bigger and better live shows for the Chems.

Bands like the Chems by and large don't mind fans trading concert bootlegs because they're not loosing out in any real way. They know its actually helping people enjoy their music and encouraging them to go and see their shows.

I have trouble with this. I think it's one in the same unless the band said to record it and put it out all over the internet. I'm talking about the live sets. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for live music and getting the live experience, but I still don't think as consumers/fans we are able to take a live recording and share it legally. We don't own the rights to the music. Who's to say that youtube postings are legal? It could be that it's just blown way out of proportion that no one knows how to tackle it. You view videos on youtube versus hosting them on your computer. That might be the huge difference. Hosting versus viewing.

We don't own the rights and therefore we can't share or in some cases make a profit off the stuff.

I'm against the downloading of the album in case you are wondering. I just thought it would be a great topic to discuss since it's always been on my mind. The majority of my friends don't get why I pay for music. I tell them that if I was in a band that I would want people to pay for my hard work... aka my album.

Toby, on 07 June 2010 - 11:12 AM, said:

Toby makes a good point. If it weren't for the recordings of the Chemmies live performances, I wouldn't be compelled to go see them at Chicago this year.

mesamm99, on 07 June 2010 - 06:13 PM, said:

By and large youtube postings aren't legal which is why stuff gets taken down all the time and they've also started doing this thing where they remove the audio from copyrighted clips. You're right though it is a very grey area in a lot of respects which is why the industry is having to completely remodel itself and really figure out what's what.

There are artists like Prince who won't even allow fans to take photographs at his concerts, which is just insane if you ask me and so counter productive. The flip side of that of course is bands like the Chems who encourage you to take photos and film clips and put them up to share. Its a great advert for the shows of course but it also encourages a sort of community spirit amongst the fan base which is something a lot of bands want to encourage.

mesamm99, on 07 June 2010 - 09:13 AM, said:

Good choice of words and a great example from a musicians point of view, in which you said 'I would want people to pay for my hard work... aka my album'!

Toby, on 07 June 2010 - 09:24 AM, said:

Prince is so small, but also an idiot!

Obi Wan Kenobi said:

You don't need to download this music.

These isn't the sound you're looking for.

You can go about your business.

Move along.
Ha!

They even leaked it on youtube! However, I will remain patient and wait for the official release. Because there no such fun as going into a record store of your choice, filled with endless anticipation, and grabbing one of those wonderful shiny silverlings with your own hands! Then you come home and finally put that thing into your computer or stereo and let the madness begin! Having bleeding ears from maximum volume excesses, you're studying the booklet with a huge grin on your face. Epic moments!

stardoktor, on 07 June 2010 - 01:03 PM, said:

It's good a tool for spreading music to people who might otherwise not hear it, so it's not all bad. You can't force people to buy things, and people who enjoy it will probably buy it. If not, it's their choice.

iguanapunk, on 07 June 2010 - 08:31 PM, said:

But its wishful thinking to say that those who download it and enjoy it will go out to buy it. The fact of the matter is most people almost certainly won't especially after the album is released and there are better quality rips out there. And you can force people to buy things. You don't go into a shop and steal things on the grounds that you shouldn't be forced to pay for them.

iguanapunk, on 07 June 2010 - 12:31 PM, said:

The problem with live recordings is that there is no way (in the case of the Chems) to buy a full recording of any of their live shows. The Chemical Brothers also promote youtube videos of their concerts on their website. So I do not see a problem with one big recording, whether audio or video, of a full concert being on the internet for free. It is very hard for many of their fans to make it in person to one of their concerts, i.e. me, a college student living in Oklahoma; Jacksrevenge, a man living in India; etc.

And I've already written about my convictions concerning leaked albums that one has already pre-ordered, or has in some way already payed for. I'd like to just mention the following again: when an artist has a copyright on material, the consumers that purchase these copyrighted materials gain certain rights to use the material for personal, non-commercial use. As I see it, if the Vinyl/CD/Digital release of an album has been purchased, the purchaser gains the right to listen to copyrighted material whenever he/she desires, even if he/she has not yet actually received the Vinyl/CD/Digital release of the material yet. Hence, the people sharing copyrighted material violate the personal-use rights by buying the material (assuming that they bought the material at all), and the people who listen to copyrighted material without buying the product break international copyright law--these sorts of people are the illegal/immoral culprits.

I'll tell ya what you can do about it, and it's just about the only thing.... Create a file called further.chemicalbrotherd.fullalbum.rar, load it with viruses, make a torrent and upload it to a torrent tracking site. You can find step be step instructions for all those things on the interwebs

that is why you are evil 'stash and must be deleted from the Internet.

Exactly, Probass.

toomuch, on 07 June 2010 - 09:29 PM, said:

That would just be un-peaceful. There are lots of people that enjoy listening to music and are too poor to go out and buy every single album that they want but they have a computer so they can listen to that album do to file sharing. I'm just a kid and I don't make money ever hardly. The only time I get any thing are times like Christmas so I have a few things like an ipod and computer But I love Music! I almost have 400 albums that I love and could not live without but I have not made more than more than 1 or 2k in my entire life so theres no way I could have most of those albums. I still try to buy albums sometimes, especially from small bands or if its like a dvd that comes with like special glasses. I'll probably ask for further for my birthday or buy it with some cash but for now I sure hope my puter doesn't x-splode right when I want to have a peaceful journey to ware ever further takes me! At least I'm not taking "papers and plastics", Its just something thats kinda duplicated freely over that interwebs. I'm sure the chemicals would understand if they knew of all the people that just want to enjoy.