mikl, on 07 December 2014 - 3:21 AM, said:

Sorry Mkl, but I can't hear any similarities to that newly discovered tune.

Double post. Please delete!

Ben_j, on 06 December 2014 - 5:32 PM, said:

Really loving this track! I would accept it as the first single for the new album imo!

Csar, on 07 December 2014 - 12:27 PM, said:

there isn't meant to be any similarities, and if you don't like my post, you delete it. Cause I don't know how anyway.

mikl, on 08 December 2014 - 12:12 PM, said:

Sorry, Mikl, this is a misunderstanding. My "please delete" was referring to my own posting because it was a double post. I edited it to make it clear.

MadPooter, on 08 December 2014 - 9:47 PM, said:

I know . I'm not good at being Iguanapunk '04 or chemicalreaction Today.

Ben_j, on 07 December 2014 - 2:32 AM, said:

I like it! Has anybody tried to google the lyrics? If the Allmighty Allknowing doesn't know them, there's a good chance this is indeed a new song. It definitely sounds Chemical.

WhiteNoise, on 04 August 2013 - 6:38 AM, said:

Better footage of the same track, from The Warehouse Project, mixed with Freak of the week

There's also that unidentified track from 7:45 to 12:45 :



To me it sounds more like it could be a Tom Rowlands track (variations on a simple synth loop, much like Nothing but Pleasure and the Klaxons remix)

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS??

Good spot, Detective Inchem. Is there any chance that This Is Not A Game could have been mastered under a different title? Did anyone buy a hard copy of the Mockingjay soundtrack which might have notes as to who mastered that track? I'm probably wrong, but perhaps it could be "ruled out of our enquiries".

Also, one that you probably all know. Go back to 1998 for Mr Marsh and it mentions a CB release called Freestyle Rocking - 12" Promo single. What was that?

Full list here (see page 9)

Not only Mike Marsh worked with chems.
http://www.exchangem...mon%20Davey.pdf
There are track called "EMS", as we know its Escape Velocity.

So i think "Contra / Reflexion" is codenames for tracks from Chemical8, mastered for DJing.

skyscraper, on 19 February 2015 - 12:54 PM, said:

Loud thinking: Brothers Gonna Work It Out (1998) => Freestyle - Don't Stop The Rock => Metro L.A. - To A Nation Rockin'

Maybe he has done some mastering on Brothers Gonna Work It Out even if the overall credits say the record was mastered by Guy Davie (at the Exchange). Or there was an unreleased or nowhere credited promo for the album because it says 12" Promo Single and Brothers was never released on vinyl.

edit: Or it is just labeled with the wrong date and it should say 1997 instead of 1998. Then it could be the 12" promo of Block Rockin' Beats for Freestyle Dust (=> CLICK) which was mastered by him.

ThePumisher, on 19 February 2015 - 10:24 AM, said:

Cool digs! *puts on thinking hat*

I think you're on the right track there, I'm betting it's mastering work for a 'dubplate' vinyl pressing of their mashup of Freestyle and Metro LA, with the pressing nicknamed Freestyle Rocking. It would make sense since the mashup is a pretty technical one and throws in that classic Lesson 3 drumbeat (okay technically it's from Led Zeppelin but no one samples it directly from them) so it would be difficult to DJ live. Especially the same way every time. Since the Chems have never really cared about being technically proficient DJs (mostly just 'having a go'), they probably had their mashup pressed to vinyl so they could drop it in sets, and later when it came to using it on Brothers Gonna Work It Out, had the mashup mastered by Mike (which explains the anachronism of the mashup appearing in the Anti-Nazi mix, it wasn't till BGWIO that they had a professional look at it). Why it wasn't done by Guy... probably just an unknown specific reason.

Whatever the situation, I really doubt it refers to Block Rockin' Beats since that release already appears in the list.

Superflash is under the label "Tom Rowlands", that's weird. I'm guessing you have to put something specific for each column, since "not released" or "not on label" or "just so the bros can DJ with it" wouldn't count as part of an actual discography, so the label "Tom Rowlands" acts as a placeholder. Or perhaps they're going to self release from here on out, now that they're out-of-contract? But the fact that the format says "CD Single / Download" is way more interesting. This probably means a few physical copies are floating around. We know Erol's got a copy, so maybe they mailed a CD to him, and it exists in the same way Problem/Question is in the hands of a few people.

Contra / Reflexion... This probably refers to two new songs, but I'm going to refer to it as one thing just so I don't have to fiddle with the plural/singular. The "Download Single" bit probably indicates it wasn't mastered for anything physical and they're using a digital copy to drop these prototype tracks in the clubs. It isn't This Is Not A Game, since that was pressed to CD and the Mockingjay soundtrack was released on Republic. It also isn't C.H.E.M.I.C.A.L., that track has changed like 4 times since 2012 so I doubt they'd go for a final mastering job on it yet. Any of the other tracks could qualify though, though the newer ones are more likely considering the mastering date of 2013.

Here's the big thing though - the EBW11 tweet from ChemBros was at The Exchange, and Contra / Reflexion is a recent thing with two titles. Meaning if we're getting EBW11, we might be getting an EBW12 too. No matter what, they've plans for these two tracks.

EMS was for sure a code name for Escape Velocity, in The Making Of Further the clapper for the filming of the EV Face scenes reads "EMS Monster". Mike has the real Escape Velocity in his credits, so maybe Simon's EMS master refers to what they were dropping at Coachella in 2009 (but that's anachronistic again). Equally likely is they worked together on the master and Simon's just got his names wrong (Simon and Mike both worked on Don't Think but Simon's list just calls it 'Live From Japan'). However Simon's name isn't listed anywhere on the EV single (runout groove is signed by Mike as traditional), but he's definitely credited on Don't Think, so it's still a bit of a mystery what that EMS release actually refers to.

It's worth nothing that even though these lists are basically high score sheets meant to fit in any release they can technically say they worked on, and a lot of the label names and release formats are technicalities, the dates on Mike's list are completely accurate. LOF, DYOH, CWU and PTB are all correctly listed as being mastered in 1995, 1996, 2001, and 2004, in spite of their actual release dates. So a lot of the above anachronisms probably disqualify their associated speculations. It's good to keep in mind the mastering date isn't when they finish the song, but when they decide to finalize it for good, so even though the final form of EV was heard in 2009 it doesn't disqualify the listed date.

tl;dr - Freestyle Rocking is probably a dubplate, Superflash was put on CD, Contra/Reflexion might mean we're getting two Battle Weapons instead of one, and they could be anything except TINAG or C.H.E.M.I.C.A.L., and EMS is a nickname of Escape Velocity but we don't know what role Simon had in it at all.

Considering "Through Me" and "Nothing But Pleasure" are also credited as Chemical Brothers releases on the "Tom Rowlands" label (along with "Superflash"), is it possible that "Contra / Reflexion" is a planned Rowlands solo release? I mean, not likely, but... possible.

Yeah that's also possible. Considering they were back in 2013, they might have been a second Rowlands solo release that got pulled or something. The "Tom Rowlands" label doesn't really prove anything though, like how Superflash is definitely a Chems track but it hasn't technically been released on any label yet.

It's probably best we don't think about this too much, lest we all waste 90 minutes editing giant posts that don't conclusively say anything.

WhiteNoise, on 19 February 2015 - 4:45 PM, said:

Through Me and Pleasure are listed as "Download single" but were initially released on Phantasy vinyl only weren't they? So can we can we really read that much into the listed format?

EDIT: I think I started this before WN's comment just above. Just a thought though: Now that there is new material to support, wouldn't this be a good time for someone with some influence to organise a forum Q&A with the Brothers, where we could ask them what they think of the state of dance music in 2015, who they are currently listening to, what's Ed going to do with his studies (Vs music), will we ever get the Rock Drill etc and... what Contra/Reflexion is. It might be more interesting than the identikit magazine interviews that will soon pop up elsewhere. And if no one is prepared to put this idea to the Chems, just start a new thread called Questions for T&E and eventually they might go "ok..."

ps I could imagine Eargasmic being called Contra/Reflexion. It's been in their sets for some time now...

Yeah I think we need to look for a track that's been in their sets since around 2013. Eargasmic is the oldest I can think of. Can't remember exactly when it debuted though. Either that or some instrumentals for Klaxons ?

Ed replied on twitter, he seemed a bit surprised. No word on what it is though
https://twitter.com/...506091845234689