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Posted 29 June 2013 - 2:52 PM
A few pints of beer and some good music is all you need =)
If it's not enough then the music is bad!
If it's not enough then the music is bad!
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Posted 30 June 2013 - 1:18 PM
Bouh, on 29 June 2013 - 2:52 PM, said:
A few pints of beer and some good music is all you need =)
If it's not enough then the music is bad!
If it's not enough then the music is bad!
I don't disagree with your beer comments but at the same time, I don't think extacy necessarily makes you enjoy bad music. It's just as likely to have no effect on you whatsoever if the music is bad.
Both alcohol and E are drugs. The fact that one is deemed to be legal while the other isn't, doesn't necessarily mean that one of them is the only way to go. I've seen people falling around like idiots, starting fights, throwing up, and unable to get themselves home after taking one of these drugs. And it wasn't E...
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Posted 30 June 2013 - 6:04 PM
The drug policies make me so angry! Most of it is hypocritical and ignores logic and common sense. People are going to do drugs and always will no matter what you do, it's their choice. All these drug laws do is give money to the dealers and does nothing for ensuring the purity of what you're taking - thus increasing the chances of death.
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Posted 01 July 2013 - 10:35 PM
Alcohol is treated with a flagrant disregard for its detriments to our society. It's disingenuous to legislate criminality into use of drugs besides alcohol when the harm caused by other drugs is measurably proven less than that of alcohol.
Drugs are, in my humble opinion, of course, a useful method of navigating your way to a space to attain some sort of understanding about your reality, an allowance of an altered perception to push into a frame of mind that allows for learning that would not otherwise be possible in an unaltered state. The trick is, however, to learn to reach that place without drugs so that you're not killing your mind and body by engaging in the activity too frequently.
Drugs are, in my humble opinion, of course, a useful method of navigating your way to a space to attain some sort of understanding about your reality, an allowance of an altered perception to push into a frame of mind that allows for learning that would not otherwise be possible in an unaltered state. The trick is, however, to learn to reach that place without drugs so that you're not killing your mind and body by engaging in the activity too frequently.
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Posted 01 July 2013 - 10:43 PM
MadPooter, on 01 July 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:
Drugs are, in my humble opinion, of course, a useful method of navigating your way to a space to attain some sort of understanding about your reality, an allowance of an altered perception to push into a frame of mind that allows for learning that would not otherwise be possible in an unaltered state. The trick is, however, to learn to reach that place without drugs so that you're not killing your mind and body by engaging in the activity too frequently.
Wonderfully put
but this is exactly what you don't want the people to do. You lose control that way, and Governments never want to lose control of the people.
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 2:49 AM
iguanapunk, on 01 July 2013 - 3:43 PM, said:
Wonderfully put but this is exactly what you don't want the people to do. You lose control that way, and Governments never want to lose control of the people.
but this is exactly what you don't want the people to do. You lose control that way, and Governments never want to lose control of the people.Unfortunately, this is more true than it should be. There was a lot of "Reefer Madness" mentality that went with legislation of drug laws during the past 80 or so decades here in the U.S., this whole notion that you are going to go insane if you do drugs and we need to stop people, at any cost, from doing them, because your life is over once you take that "first hit." Now, there are possible unintended consequences from doing psychedelics, such as triggering latent schizophrenic tendencies in individuals with a genetic history of the illness, but the harms have been blown way out of proportion.
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 1:10 PM
MadPooter, on 02 July 2013 - 3:49 AM, said:
Unfortunately, this is more true than it should be. There was a lot of "Reefer Madness" mentality that went with legislation of drug laws during the past 80 or so decades here in the U.S., this whole notion that you are going to go insane if you do drugs and we need to stop people, at any cost, from doing them, because your life is over once you take that "first hit." Now, there are possible unintended consequences from doing psychedelics, such as triggering latent schizophrenic tendencies in individuals with a genetic history of the illness, but the harms have been blown way out of proportion.
A few years ago in the UK a top scientist was fired from his post in the Government for releasing drug research that was factual. It showed that drugs like ecstasy weren't as harmful as reported, which of course directly contradicts the drug laws. This also makes drugs research a lot more tougher because trying to obtain illegal substances even for research requires so much red tape.
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 1:38 PM
Let's not forget Cannabis is still labeled a Schedule 1 drug, despite all of its medicinal benefits.
Meanwhile, the US gov't and taxpayers allow tobacco to be legal, alcohol to be glorified, and caffeine to be sold to children, despite the long-term negative effects on health and addictive qualities proven in all three.
I'm sure Bob Saget would shut me down for mentioning marijuana in a "drug" thread, but the older I get, the more this pisses me off.
Meanwhile, the US gov't and taxpayers allow tobacco to be legal, alcohol to be glorified, and caffeine to be sold to children, despite the long-term negative effects on health and addictive qualities proven in all three.
I'm sure Bob Saget would shut me down for mentioning marijuana in a "drug" thread, but the older I get, the more this pisses me off.
Gonna work it out...
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 1:44 PM
It is still safer to drink two pints of beer than taking any other drugs in my opinion.
I'm not saying drinking alcohol is not dangerous. It's just a matter of how much you drink. That makes a pretty big difference.
Fairly harsh to regulate your extasy intake : "C'mon guys, let's split this pill into 4".
I'm convinced that the illegal drug checkers is good idea though!
I'm not saying drinking alcohol is not dangerous. It's just a matter of how much you drink. That makes a pretty big difference.
Fairly harsh to regulate your extasy intake : "C'mon guys, let's split this pill into 4".
I'm convinced that the illegal drug checkers is good idea though!
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 11:26 PM
Bouh, on 02 July 2013 - 6:44 AM, said:
It is still safer to drink two pints of beer than taking any other drugs in my opinion.
I'm not saying drinking alcohol is not dangerous. It's just a matter of how much you drink. That makes a pretty big difference.
Fairly harsh to regulate your extasy intake : "C'mon guys, let's split this pill into 4".
I'm convinced that the illegal drug checkers is good idea though!
I'm not saying drinking alcohol is not dangerous. It's just a matter of how much you drink. That makes a pretty big difference.
Fairly harsh to regulate your extasy intake : "C'mon guys, let's split this pill into 4".
I'm convinced that the illegal drug checkers is good idea though!
If MDMA usage were regulated as alcohol is, it would be safer to take MDMA.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 12:38 PM
MadPooter, on 03 July 2013 - 1:26 AM, said:
If MDMA usage were regulated as alcohol is, it would be safer to take MDMA.
you mean safer than drinking? Not sure, everything gets dangerous when you take too much of it. This applies to everything : alcohol, mdma, food etc.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:21 PM
Bouh, on 03 July 2013 - 5:38 AM, said:
you mean safer than drinking? Not sure, everything gets dangerous when you take too much of it. This applies to everything : alcohol, mdma, food etc.
Yes, safer than drinking, according to numerous studies.
Alcohol is a drug. Just because its use has been condoned and has a longer period of use than other drugs does not mean it is safer.
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