It was "the orbital" remix of out of control actually.

I still wish it's All Rights Reversed. A double LP with 4 or 5 more bonus remixes and edits - the live version kinda extended mix. Kammon!

"Block Rockin' Beats was not exactly representative of the rest of Dig Your Own Hole, and look how many loyal fans that brought in."

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Yes it was. BRB = Big Beat, and most of DYOH = big beat, too put it short. It represents tracks like Setting Sun, GUOILT, and DYOH very well.

And The Golden Path was never released on any album.

Voodoo - Perhaps I did misunderstand what you were trying to convey.

On the other hand, you did say:

"So it's basically trading smart fans who'd love WATN for dumb ones who wouldn't understand it."

I still think these exact words hold quite a generalization and I'm not willing to subscribe to such a blanket statement. We simply have different thoughts on the matter.

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LEARN TO READ. LOOK AT THE WORDS FOLLOWING WHAT YOU QUOTED IN WHICH I ADMIT THAT IT IS A RASH EXAGGERATION. Of course it's much more complex than that, I said so myself. Are you stealing my ideas to argue against me with?

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I do understand and respect your opinions about releasing singles, but I can think of a lot of ChemBros singles that don't fall under the notion of, "Buy our album because it sounds like x":

Block Rockin' Beats

The Golden Path

Believe

The Boxer

Do It Again

That's not even counting The Test since it technically was not its own single. I'm not implying that every one of these were great choices, but I wouldn't say any of them are particularly representative of their associated albums, either.

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They are representative of their respective albums to much more of a degree than the salmon dance is (with the exception of The Golden Path which is a non-album single): They are serious tracks and they fit into the context of their respective albums. Argue against that if you want to, but you'll have a very hard time.The Salmon Dance doesn't fit. I don't mean to slag it as a work on it's own, but it's about as representative of WATN as the world "dildo" is representative of the whole of this paragraph. Yes, it's there, I put it there, and it serves a purpose. Heck, it'll probably get me a hell of a lot more google hits than using the word "respresentation" would. But still, as a synopsis of my arguement, the single word will give you absolutely no idea what my arguement is about except that it contains the presence of the word in and of itself.

We all know that TSD clashes with everything else on WATN (albeit pleasantly) and you'd have to be a dumbfuck to deny that. I'm glad you're not, but, what I cannot understand is your desire to sell the album for what it largely isn't. Yes, it might appeal to the hip-hop crowd, but guess what? The hip-hop crowd will be infintely less interested in WATN as a whole than the indie, electronic or psychadelic crowds would be.

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Again, my goal is for the Chems to gain as much airplay and sales as they can. Hopefully they will also gain some new, permanent fans along the way. TSD is not my personal first choice for a new single, but I also don't think it is a bad choice.

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Your goal would be best accomplished by the chemical brothers collaborating with established emo acts. I, on the other hand, place first what you place second: attracting people to become permanent, devoted fans who would deeply appreciate and understand the music. I would like them to have a reputation for what they actually are, because that's what I respect. I wouldn't see them made to be something that they, for the most part, aren't for the sake of improved sales. Of course, if whoever makes these decisions wants to, if I may put it so bluntly, sell the fuck out, releasing TSD as a single would be a great idea, but I don't think that such an idea falls into line with what the chemical brothers are honestly about.

Of course, they could just be doing it as a massive joke, in which case, it's all good.

erol alkan is doing a remix of it some might of heard boggy play it warming up for the chems

@prochem -- What's the propensity to call the track the orbital remix? Who started that or thought of that? I've never figured that out....

I know that I downloaded OOC(Orbital Mix) from limewire years ago and it turned out to be "Enjoyed", i have seen it on a few P2P sites as the orbital mix. I have come accross that sort of thing a lot on limewire, if someone doesnt know who its mixed by a lot of peeps plump for orbital or aphex or chemicals.

voodoo - did you ever maybe wonder if maybe that the chems just really like the track and think that all things considered it'd make a great choice for a single?

its not like they need to attract new fans - PTB was there biggest selling album to date!

@irishfan if that's the remix we heard yesterday in Paris, it sucks...

@whirly : the Canadian version has no sticker....

anyhow voodoo: a single such as WATN, ARR, or BS would be less representative of the album. WATN is very old-school, ARR is very PTB, and BS is one of those mellow album tracks (they always got one).

I would contend that __in terms of production__ the salmon dance resembles the new album material. It embodies their new freeform writing techniques, rather mature compositions. It reminds me of orchestral composition on this track -- only played through synthesisers and transposed a notch along the chemical sound warp.

This writing approach started with my elastic eye (albeit in a much smaller way) and expanded nearer to what it is now with The Big Jump, Close Your Eyes, and Shake Break Bounce. It now envelopes a large part of the new album: Saturate, Das Spiegel, The Salmon Dance, Burst Generator, (somewhat) A Modern Midnight Conversation, Harpoons, and The Pills Won't Help You Now.

The vocals, while __they are atypical__, provide a solid base off of which to work in terms of production. They allude to old-school hip hip, demonstrate that they are not insecure about the production, and help to distract from the lush, highly structured foundation of sliding synths, keen bass, and heavy, tight beats. This distraction helps to maintain prolonged interest in the track -- provided that you can bear the lyrical content.

So, by the definition of representation, the Salmon Dance is an extremely solid single, for it employs the general principles of the album in a highly advanced way. Furthermore follows it the intent of evangelising new fans in terms of popularity: while people at large mightn't appreciate the nuance of the track, they enjoy a light-hearted, fun track to which they can dance or by which they may be entertained. The sustained listens are provided by the many layers and evolving nature of the track.

Now, having purchased the album, a foreign man will hear an intro and some synth squelches. This is not abnormal to the popular listener. The first two tracks (WATN and ARR) are catchy and fun. While Saturate might be skipped, one must recall that the following track has been the first single. As the album progresses people might or might not listen on. They will likely listen to the Salmon Dance, which could put them in the mood for Burst Generator.

This album and its singles constitute a solid composition altogether and draw attention over each other. It will draw people in and intrigue; the Salmon Dance and Do It Again will, especially together, generate much interest.

GLAKO, you always have such interesting input and provide solid food for thought.

I'd have to disagree with the assertion that We Are The Night, All Rights Reversed and Battle Scars are not representative of the album, but my reasons are entirely subjective and arguable. I think all the tracks on We Are The Night represent the album in their own way. I get a very conceptual feel from the album, and as such all tracks (for me) are the sum of We Are The Night.

I really think it's the content and delivery of The Salmon Dance that is throwing people off.

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Just wanted to add to this... Generating interest aside, both Do It Again and Salmon Dance tie together lyrically in a way. "You know how we do it... again."

hahaha, good call on the lyrics :)

and I definitely dig what you mean about all the tracks adding to the entire experience. I intended to suggest that a lot of people listen to the songs and do not engross themselves in an experience..

listening strictly to the songs... I'd say certain tracks express more the general vibe than others

Fair enough, GLAKO, in terms of sound, but theme-wise, not really. I don't mean to sound as opposed to putting it out as a single as I'm probably coming off, but I just like to explain my reasons why. I enjoy the salmon dance as much as the next guy, but I just don't really want the reputation of WATN to be half-based on it.

And @mippio, yeah, I could understand their thinking it's a great track and would make a nice single BECAUSE they also probably know what the third single will be (if TSD is legitimately the second and there will indeed be a third, as is likely the case). But I, as well the rest of the us, only have the first two singles to go on as what the non-album-owning but radio-listening public will use to get their ideas about what WATN is. If the chem's have some plan to give us Burst Generator, ARR, TPWHYN, or Battle Scars ( all in order of my preference) as the next single, then I'm completely fine with The Salmon Dance being one of them, but like I said, I can't really see that far into the future from here.

Salmon Dance is awesome!!! It's what the chems do, repeat a simple sample, add to it, build it up, mix it up, but essentially just the same sample over and over. Totally infectious. Saturate is the same. Lyrics are by the by - you know when you here this in a club or at a festival it's gonna rock and everyone will be dancing like a salmon floating upstream. Tom and Ed will be able to sit back and say "job done"!

Also makes an awesome ring tone :) I've just chopped it up and stuck it together so it fits.

U know what - everybody thinks that its not gonna work. I wouldn't be suprised if - simply because of the silly-ness of the song - it would be HUGE.

Seriously.

bang on.

i still think it's a weak single. skimmed through some interesting discussions above - i really think it's the record company pushing artistes into a slight corner case here. it's a fun song, single material, let's just forget it. if folks actually buy the album based on the single and spin it just for those songs they'r not in for the experience anyway. if it gets even 10 pc of the single buyers as fans onboard, it does the trick. i like the idea. i want the chems to be as big as anyone out there. i hope they play somewhere closer. :p

put me in the i love salmon dance camp! did you know i could go to japan? bwoooooom bwooooooom bwoooooom bwoooooom.

I dont really see what the problem is in releasing TSD as a single,so what if its a tad funny, (un-Chems) etc etc, IT IS a catchy wee tune and make no mistake it WILL sell and lets be honest thats what the boys are in this game for.

I say support them in whichever way they release the singles ;-)

Cheers ;-)Wullie,,,,, floating upstream.

man, the best singles where off surrender