alright... this week's brought a massive change of the british single chart system as downloads now will be count as well (if the song is available commercially as a single release on tape, CD or vinyl as well)



good or bad? okay, it brought galvanize back in chart on #58



but in general - is this the next step in getting rid of the "old" standards CD, vinyl, cassette or does it ban them somewhere in a corner? or can the new system reflect music "sales" in full? should downloads who are available online but not "en realit�" on some medium be counted as well?



waiting for your opinion

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I think the whole chart sistim should be ELIMINATED! 8O

Yes, you heard me. ELIMINATED !!!!

It will result in singles containing more than 2 tracks :o

well, then not the system -as a big promoter for music- should be eliminated but chart rules }:-@

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Charts are more than a list of what's hot and what's not. It's been a pretty strong indicator of certain demographics over the years, and the charts have been around for a long time and are not going away. The charts are a marketing tool. Yes they can be seen as part of the evil machine but the music has to be marketed somehow, and knowing the demographic helps in that department.



As much as I am old fashioned and fairly resistant to change, and I like the qualities of a tangihble piece of product like music offers, the times they are a'changing. Digital format is the future - just as cd format was the wave that crashed out cassettes and to an extent, vinyl. It has changed everything and will continue to do so. I don't think it's wise for the industry to disregard what people are listening to and downloading on their ipods.

but then, downloads of songs not having a "real" release should be counted as well. e.g.: gorillaz released their latest single in a lim.ed. of 300 (hello equinoxe :P ). that could probably bring them on to no. 200 in the charts. however, fell good inc. (or how it is called) is on 22, just for the downloads. it would not be if there wasn't that release.



the system, as it is now, need to be improved, but counting legal downloads is a first step in the right direction, IMO.



however... i strictly am against charts rules because they only manipulate the charts :x }:-@

You have right. More complicated system = more problems. I rather like the REAL singles instead of internet download. First - i like this all things (singles, albums, special editions - yammy!) to collect, this is my hobby and fun!!I can't realize my life without it (I'am not a manic, Golden Boy ;-) ). Second - the downloaded files in compressed format is ALWAYS shitty, because of sound quality, and i'am never thought about mp3's seriously. For me mp3's are only fo curious about the song. I can make an opinion about some songs, albums and so on, when i'am listening it. Then i can buy original (if i like it) or not. Just an information function to me. However, it can be a chart with a downloadable songs, but in an apart system, wchich is not coliding with a standart singles chart. I know that those download is for a payment, but the difference is in the quality beetwen the formats.

You bring up a good point equinoxe, but if billboard starts delegating which listening format is better, then the whole thing just gets too convoluted. The bottom line is what's selling, what people are listening to, and which demographic is being targeted.



Cassettes sound real shitty to me after the first listen. But they still accounted for sales. cd's sound better than records most of the time - both account for sales. Accounting for mp3's is the next logical step if the industry wants to keep up with the times. We here all like something we can hold in our hands, something that cd's and records offer, some of us like to collect - other people prefer the digital format on their handy ipods. One format shouldn't trump the other, because quality aside, the song remains the same.

It's just a matter of that, the most of peopples doesn't even disregard and really don't pay attention to a quality of the songs, they listen. They just want to listen a new tracks for a minimal cost and than burn it on the cd, a cheap also. The fact is, the new cd's and singles are expensive, but hello!, we got for that money a new freshly smelling cover, and a new compact disc with a perfect digital sound (not as good as vinyl ;-) ) and after many years, a collectible item also. More peopples today don't look at this aspects.They want to listen and to joy themself. Maybe this is good, maybe not, but in all this REAL thingies is some passion. I don't know how is it with You guys, but for me it's better to listen a new original buying album with covers and box and so on, than the naked tracks downloaded from internet in 128 kbps. I think the package and covers of the album's are making an unique climate. For example: if i listen to an Equinoxe album of Jean Michel Jarre i always identiting the all album with the little strang guys with field-glasses...wchich are on the cover of this album. You know what i have on my mind?

I, personally, agree wholeheartedly with you Equinoxe, as I think most people here will. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people elsewhere do not. I mean, if they listen to such crap music anyway (look at the popularity of American/Pop Idol, Britney Spears, most mainstream rap artists right now, etc.), do you think they care about how they get it?

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I, personally, agree wholeheartedly with you Equinoxe, as I think most people here will. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people elsewhere do not. I mean, if they listen to such crap music anyway (look at the popularity of American/Pop Idol, Britney Spears, most mainstream rap artists right now, etc.), do you think they care about how they get it?

And about this kind of peopples i'am saying. Poor little...creations (not creatures, anyway!) ;-)

I don't mind if digital media grows in popularity, but I don't want to see the physical, tangible media disappear. Although, I would like it if I didn't have to track down three singles, or expensive Japanese imports to get all the B-sides and remixes. One EP/single would suit me fine.



And, ironically, I'm probably going to buy a portable mp3 player tomorrow so I can listen to music on the bus ride to Coachella.

Who cares about charts?



As long as you like it or love it, nothing else matters.

Just beign on a chart is enough for people to know it. ;)





Go Britney to #1!!! :P

Hehe. :) BTW i just bought the Loops of Fury and Private Psychedelic Reel in plastic slimpack for 12 euro. AT LAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I love it!!! X-D BEEEEEAAAAAAUUUUTIIIFUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!! :D

Fuck the charts, biotch!

I agree, I like the whole package that comes with the music. It's something to hold, something to look at, something to display on your shelf, etc. I like going into a store and picking up a piece of music out of rack, paying for it, taking the wrapper off and popping it into my car stereo, sit for a while and look at the inner sleeve, and turn the volume way up as I drive out of the parking lot. It's a simple pleasure, I guess one that makes me a little old fashioned.



The Chems as well as a ton of other artists take pride in putting together a whole package to deliver their music in. And I admit that's why I've been resisting going totally digital. The package, the substance surrounding the music becomes part of the bigger picture nd thus like equinoxe stated, makes the whole thing that much more intimate. I wish I had more records (and a working record player ;) ) because what I love so much about it isn't just the music, it's the image on the cover and the inner sleeve, the credits, the thank-you's, the lyrics, etc.



There are people out there who think like we do, and people who take pleasure in obtaining the whole package that comes with the music. If the price is low enough, people will gladly fork over the money for a cd. It's just that in the digital age where it's convenient and cheaper to have an ipod or portable mp3 player lying around - not to mention people can pick and choose which songs they want rather than purchase an entire cd - tangible product is in danger of going the way of the dinosaur. Not to mention it's easier and cheaper to distribute music in the digital format. Labels spend hundreds of thousands of dollars each year just to market and advertise and promote their product in stores like the one I work in.

Agree! :) The whole package thing STIMULATE the vision of albums, because this IS the original part of recordings!!!BTW if You want to buy an original recordings in original boxes and so on, You really can buy oficial or non oficial releases sometimes VERY cheap, from eBay, if You have a lucky ;-)

If CDs were cheaper for me, I would buy a lot more of them.



What happens when I buy a CD is like saying:

- I really like this, and it's really worth paying for it

- I'm glad I'm helping him/her/group/etc





Whirly, I cannot do what you do, I would love to do it, but I just cannot.

Just as an example, last month I went to a shop, saw The Prodigy's Experience, so I grabbed it, when I saw the price... 22US$... sigh...

Currency 1US$ = 26$U

So, no Experience for me. :(

Then I asked if I could import CDs from UK, I thought they would be cheaper, so I asked for an Omni Trio's CD, 24US$... sigh... :(

No CD for me.



I have some CDs that I've already ripped and converted into MP3, I rarely listen to the original CDs, but when I listen to them it's something special.

Another good thing about MP3s is that instead of carrying 10 CDs I can carry 1 CD will all those 10 CDs. ;)

I Agree that cd's are to expensive. But i buy a awful lot of cd's 8O Sometimes i buy like 12 , 13 new cd's at one time. I just LOVE to go to cd shops , spend a few hours there , go home and look at them all and listen to them all. But i haven't bought cd's in about a week , cause i'm broke. ( yeah yeah i know the reason why ;)) So i went to my friend yhesterday to upload her awesome collection of DnB cd's on my comp (H) almost like 30/40 new cd's 8)

I have the same thing, Jeanie :) I love buying a new cd's and at one time a may buy lot of cd, and then, when i haven't a cash, a don't buy anything...and listen to mp3, and recording it to cd's and so on. But someday i will all what i have on mp3's ;-)