thanks for your comments, but i guess this is goodbye. see you in the next lifetime

what is wrong with pluto???



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i think he is a good dog...















actually i like that song i think is hard and is one of the few bjork traxx that i like.

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Yo! Don't fuck with TCM!!! }:-@



'Tweekend' rocks!!

I agree with SneakerBeater, in that it's important to understand that any good band driven by creative force is going to progress and evolve beyond themselves and their traditional sounds. Why would you want your favorite band to keep putting out the same record? No doubt if the Chems put out a DYOH or a Surrender every year it would still rock, but that would be unfair to themselves as artists and equally unfair to fans.ifell in love with the chems because their sound was different, and I embrace the fact that they, as musicians and artists, would continually want to build upon that sound by finding new ways to express it. If a band isn't evolving, their music isn't revelant. I would rather the chems put out an experimental record than to retread old ground simply to appeal to their audience. I now understand that "Come With Us" was perhaps saying that they didn't want to be pigeon holed in putting out albums like DYOH every two years. They were asking us to follow them as they took their music in a new direction, where ever that may be. I think the fact that the brothers are not complacent with putting out the same records every two or three years shows us that not only do they care about the music they make, but they also care about their fans. I'm glad they've invited us along.

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And also, one thing is juding the music by the way it sounds - there might be differences in opinions, of course. But just being a die-hard fan and listening to everything the band releases no matter how awful it sounds, that's just stupid.. I can't find another word to describe that.

"You must like it". What the heck... There's nothing to like about it! It's by no means melodical or inspiring.



Like I said.. There's a difference of tastes, but this is more of a message to Chems than to you, guys. Of course there always be those who listen to any kind of music, be it classical music or black metal. But for me PTB lost every sign of being listenable. Try listening to Bjork "Pluto", and tell me if you like it. Those who do should be slapped or got off drugs.

Listen man, I feel your pain at being the sort of odd man out here, it's never easy to be in the minority and express your opinions. I don't think it's right to imply (ie what was said to you: "you must like it") to any fan that they have to looooooooove every single piece of music their favorite musicians put out. Especially over a span of 10+ years, there's bound to be favorites and things that sound less than favorable - music is a passionate thing and I'm convinced we all hear things differently. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with us and doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the Chems.



There's bands I adore but not all their songs or even whole records do it for me. So far in my very subjective career of being a Chemical Brothers fan, their records have been relatively consistant (with a few minor hurdles) - I feel their music is, so far, something I can grow with and go back to in a few years time and still feel that rush, that feeling I got when I was giving a listen for the first time.



But personally (and I think I can speak for other fans who've embraced Push The Button) I think there's lots to like about the new record, and I do find a lot of tracks quite melodical and yes, even perhaps even inspiring to some of the musicians here. That you implied that makes us blind, stupid fans... then I really don't know how to reply to that other than... well, so be it. Color me a blind and stupid fan, then.

Well, of course, as I expected, there're a lot of stupid fan kind of reactions like "Oh you just don't get it" or "Screw you, this rox".



I don't feel being a minority or anything. No, I'm just crying over Chems going in a wrong direction, tsall. I'm sure they'll release *some* good tracks before I die.

I just hope there're more good indie bands out there I'm not yet aware of. Reason I started this topic is because Chems were pioneers of 'good' electronic music for me (well, after Prodigy, actually). So this was more of a personal loss for me. As you noticed I haven't been trying to make anyone realize that PTB is crap or anything. Wise people got my point. Hope so did the Chems.



Yeah, you can't believe how disappointed I was with the last Prodigy album, hehe... Tell me about good music on That one (I only like Spitfire and Memphis Bell, the rest is just noise).

Once again, I'm expressing my opinion here. A lot of people read message boards wrong. I never said "Hey, Chems, PTB sucks, you're out of inspiration, and those who like it are stupid fans". It's all basically guesswork.

One point is true though - in terms of music and progress hip hop (gangsta rap, i mean. there's good hip hop out there) is anything but development. Compared to it black metal sounds a lot more melodic and inspiring to me.

And, yes, I know this is probably going to start another big argument. Which feels great, because you can piss people off so easily. Like it's going to prove something or enlighten me.

Oh, and to Chems once again - Change the damn crash sample. I think you guys are using the sample of a crash in every track.

Boo hoo hoo.

Yep.

@23... whatever, please don't make boards like this that turn into a vicious cycle of idiocies. Just listen to some of the songs lyrics... I do agree with you about Galvenize, it get's boring pretty quick. And I would barely call any of those two songs (Galvenize and Left Right) "gangsta rap". They both have meaningful lyrics, and they don't suck. Almost all the other songs other than TBJ are ace in both sound and complexity.

No, I didnt say Galvinize is gangsta rap. It just sounds like Chems moving in that direction.

The rest of the songs are of course better than galvanize but overall less interesting than other albums.

Haha.. Yeah, basically this is how you can sum up all I said earlier.

I wasn't summing up anything that you have said. I was simply restating some stuff and then putting in my two cents aghainst whatever it was I restated from you. And I really hate these type of topics because the spiral into an angry "because of"-fest. V_V

Yeah, I know.

This is like a "Windows vs. Mac" topic. Although I really think Macs rock :D

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And, yes, I know this is probably going to start another big argument. Which feels great, because you can piss people off so easily. Like it's going to prove something or enlighten me.

It doesn't prove you're enlightened, it proves you're a troll, with nothing better to do with your life than going on a message board of a band you obviously don't care for and pissing off their fans. Good show!



But it might be more fun for you to go over here, http://www.theonering.net/index.shtml join their forum and tell them how much better you think the new Star Wars trilogy is than the LotRs. You will accomplish as much by dissing PTB here, my trollish little buddy.

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Oh, and to Chems once again - Change the damn crash sample. I think you guys are using the sample of a crash in every track.

Yep.



Troll.

Listen 23.976, I understand what you are trying to say and the reasons why you are 'dissapointed' with PTB. Whoever says that we should like everything a certain band releases just because we are a fans of the band, needs to continue his/her education.



From what you wrote I realise you seem to love the 'hard-edge' electronic music, something the Chems, Prodigy and the like have done back in 1997.

I don't blame you because I myself fell in love with Chems during this period. If PTB was released straight after DYOH, the Chems would probably lose most of their fan-base.



But you have to realise it has been 8 years since DYOH was released and electronic music has changed radicaly. 'Big Beat' is dead. If today somebody made an album that is similar to DYOH, not many people would get excited about it.



I must admit that when I first heard the entire PTB album I wasn't overly excited about it either. My main issue was that there wasn't anything on the record that would sound massive- as in huge hit, something that would draw you in and you would react - oh my god, this is awsome.



But then after few more listens I realised that every song is a grower and that every song is briliant in its own way. This album is not a 'revolution' but a beautiful and nice 'evolution'.



What I recommend to you is to stop listening to the album right now and go back to listening some of the old Chems, Prodigy, Crystal Method, Death in Vegas and Underworld tracks. When you get bored of it put 'PTB' back in the player after one year's time. You'll realise how briliant the album is.

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Hey, i respect your opinions and i also wanna give mine...PTB it's not commercial. I'm telling you that 'cause Mexico is a great parameter for commercial music...Radio stations only play bullsh*t all over our country. No Chems trax on rotation, only on the alternative but "no-commercial" stations like BEAT 109 on Mexico City. For real.

Haven't seen you around in a while! :)

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And in my opinion, DYOH is way more commercial than PTB, i dunno...i think it's because some tracks like Piku or It Doesn't Matter are intended for american listeners, in fact..only the singles sound BRITISH...the rest of the album is like "this-track-is-gonna-be-a-hit-in-oklahoma-and-texas"...and it also got a Grammy, but surely not for BRB or Setting Sun.

Hmmm. Don't know about Dig Your Own Hole being more commercial than Push The Button - it is early still but I think I get where you're going with this. 1997 was the year electronic music as we've come to know today exploded in the U.S. Critically and commercially, it was a surprising success. But as it is with any success in the US, it's a matter of right time, right place. It's interesting that you've come to the conclusion that Piku and It Doesn't Matter were intended for American listeners. Or the rest of the record minus the singles for that matter. Maybe I'm a little dense right now - it's been a long weekend, but I am a little confused by what you're trying to say. In 1997, America was listening to Jewel, Spice Girls, Hanson, Puff Daddy and Leann Rhimes and the Cranberries. No Doubt made it big, and The Wallflowers were gonna be the next big thing. If you think about all those other artists, the very blandness of the above mentioned musicians it's easy to understand why the Chems really broke ground and helped bring electronic music into the spotlight. Electronic music was so fresh, it was the new alternative to the Cranberries if you know what I mean. I don't know if I'd call this commercial success in the pure sense. Electronic music was still considered music for e-tarded ravers, it was still very niche in 1997 with the occasional spot in a television commercial or movie soundtrack. I don't think (in the U.S.) electronic music as we are familiar with today really started creeping into the American subconscious until around 1998-99. I don't think the Chems had a crystal ball and set out to appeal to those in the U.S. mid west and southern states. So I'm not sure what you mean there. I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just trying to get a feel for what you're trying to say.

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Ok...now if you wanna choose the best Chem work ever...Exit Planet Dust. The prefect blend of adrenaline, dopamine, serotonine; dance and chillout in a small plastic piece...simply excellent. Surrender and CWU are like part 1 and part 2...they're both similar and good.

Can't argue about Exit Planet Dust. It's good to see the way-back one get a positive mention round these parts!

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So, don't misjudge PTB only 'cause of the production or the lyrics or the collaborationjs. This one is very good, and surely the guys of the Grammys in the US can't understand it . See ya.

Gotta point there. Those sitting on the board of the Grammys are something like 90 years old, aren't they? X-D Maybe not. Then again, we'll see. Block Rockin Beats winning Best "Rock" Instrumental was a bit of a surprise!

I'm gonna have to go along with what @23.976 is saying for the most part. I'm a huge Chem's fan, and find PTB to be an awful album. I understand the whole "The Chem's are progressing, they're not stuck in DYOH era etc..." That's fine, but PTB is a very weak album. The Chem's have stopped pushing the boundaries and pushing themselves.



Nothing stands out, that you say "That's a great track" or "Holy Shit, I've never heard anything like it before." If you want to make minimalistic tracks fine, but they can still be interesting pieces of music. Much of PTB sounds like half-hearted ideas that the Chem's just didn't know what to do with or how to finish them.



I thought that Come With Us was a bit disappointing with the Chem's rehashing all their old ideas, only not as effective. On PTB we find the Chem's once again stuck in collaboration mode, and someone should have pulled the plug on the debacle of tracks that is "Left Right" and "Galvanize".



Here's to hoping that Tom & Ed can pull themselves out of the K-hole and get back to producing some of the craziest, sexiest, full-on fuck with your head music.