TryptaJunk Escribi�:

this has gone too far.



I suggest a sword duel. to the death.



toomuch'stach, you slightly disappoint me. you should take a good look at the image you posted.

I am not arguing with him.



He thinks it's bad. I think it's good. An argument is a way to get another party to change their mind and see things your way. Neither of us is going to sway the other.



I merely want this Hater to leave. And, possibly, jump in front of a bus. But I'd be satisfied if he just left.

You're welcome, toomuch.

If someone wants to listen to chems, they won't go out on forums reading people's opinions, but just will buy the album and have their own opinion about it.

@23.976 Escribi�:

You're welcome, toomuch.

If someone wants to listen to chems, they won't go out on forums reading people's opinions, but just will buy the album and have their own opinion about it.

You are clearly new at the interdent.



You're right, no one ever goes and reads other peoples opinions on forums. You didn't, just a few pages ago, ask me to stop posting so you could hear what other people thought of PTB. How silly of me.

anyway, I'm still puzzled about this production thingie. you obvisoulsy turned my "clean production" argument back against me, but I really hope you're intelligent enough to see my point.



I think SR cranks got a point about this : when listening back to surrender or CWU, there are more production tricks in there. but it is not all about recipes, tricks and showing off : production is meant to serve the track, not the opposite. (But I loved those tricks too...)



So, @23.972 what are the production weaknesses you have noticed? I'm trying to bring the thread back to sensible argumentation.

Anyway, moving along..

I think this Brothers' remix of Voodoo People (from the the Voodoo People EP) is really good and it's got all the ingredients of the Chemical Brothers I'm talking about.

No no, I see what you mean. The sound did get much clearer. I'm just talking about the samples sounding kind of more seperated - the quality did improve. Mostly because they have more budget to buy better equipment to sample the synths and mix, I'd say. That's natural.

And yes, of course it's not all about tricks and noise. But when well used, those things work together to create a kind of random track which you want to listen to over and over again.

My favorite example would be, again, Prodigy - Liam has a great deal of various random sounds popping up here and there, and a lot of other things, and Chemical Brothers had a lot of that too. It's not just totally random things. They were carefully put in to *seem* random, and they really work.

But on PTB it sounds like there're a lot less of them and randomness generally. It doesn't mean like they're showing off less, but to me the tracks just sound more 'linear', you know what I mean?

It's definitely not all about how many tricks & effects you can put in to one song, that's what I hate about BT. All he does is talk about how many edits, slices and dices, samples reversed and eq'd, and it doesn't mean shit. You can throw fuckin' whip cream and cherry on shit and it'll still taste like shit! Not to say all of Bt's stuff is shit, but generally, I think he overproduces his tracks, and you find yourself paying attention more to the stutters of the beat and vocal snippets, and less to the overall track.



I always found that the Chem's had a really good balance of song structure, free flowing composition, with the added pleasure of tweakin' synths and cool effects. You might get lost and wrapped around with an effect, but it didn't pull you away from the song, it always seemed to fit and the right thing to do.



I just don't really hear that on PTB for the most part. That's what I'm getting at. Along with the fact that many of the tracks are sub-standard quality. Don't come at me with "You're not a fan of the Chem's etc..." That's crap. I've seen them live 7 times, including flying to LA, and then driving down to San Diego. And also flew to NY to catch 2 shows at The Hammerstein Ballroom.



I don't think the Chem's have "lost it" musically. I do think they are heading in a direction that I'm not found of. They do show some moments of brilliance over the last couple of albums. I thought Hot Acid Rhythm was a killer track, Hoops was cool, and off of PTB I think Believe is a pretty good track.



Looking forward to some B-sides from PTB.

duuuuuuuuuude



Pluto is just about the coolest thing on earth! ;)



Lighten the fuck up, @23.976 -- learn something about music, by learning something about yourself.



Music simply sounds so fucking good -- a good bit of it. When you can feel the musician's touch, you're in touch with yourself. Perhaps you're missing something in your life? Perhaps you're in a slump and you need 1200 watts of DYOH non-stop?



Life is all about experience, friend. Relate your love to your experiences, and you're on top. You've got to feel everything, while you can observe it time to time. You've got to get down into something and feel the hot bubbles of creativity bursting out your finger tips. That excellent tingling sensation when you've just layed down that killer bass solo an d you just showed the world who's boss.



Maybe what you need is a trip to Toronto; come feel it here, be free. I invite you to purely be yourself for a weekend. Be free of foreign influences and ideas. Become one with all that matters.







I'm a musician too. Feeling good isn't about getting the sequence down right -- it's about feeling what you're doing. Make everything you do an art.

So, for me. Put on that James Brown when he's feeling the ladies; put on that James Brown when he's funkin' the drums. Soak into some Beethoven... and warm up to Dark Side of The Moon.



Sneak in a listen of some keen Lopazz work.

Close you mind, and put on Push The Button.

You don't need fat beats, you don 't need muck.

You've just gotta feel the love. And be yourself.

@23.976 Escribi�:

The point is not how well their records are being sold.

Like you can't hear the strong mainstream-pop-crap-rap influence? The more and more simplistic kind of sound with apparently less care taken of the production.



It's also not about me hating all the 'gangsta rap'. Even in terms of hip hop Galvanize has nothing interesting to offer.

I compose music myself, and I'm heavily into alternative rock and electro. I of course analize all the records in terms of complexity, mastering and everything. Not that the aim is to make the song as complex as you can. Things like Morning Lemon have proven that.



But when it sounds like they just had to put *something* together..

It's one thing to just run out of inspiration. I can understand that. You just don't release anything in that case. But this is just too bad. Sounds more like the label was pressing on Chems to release the new album and they had to throw the album together fast.

Unmemorable synths, samples I think everyone making music has... That's not the ingredients of a great record.



My main hope is that Bros realize all this and that they're not looking at their album as a masterpiece.

Anything but a big [size=15?[/size] Mainstream? They sound like...???? Simlpistic? I don't know what you mean...

Glako, that was deep!! 8)



Oh, and the production tricks you're looking for that make individual samples & sounds stand out has nothing to do with expensive equipment - it's just simple EQ and reverb.

good one glako. i was liked your approach to music. Very much what i think. I too was all like equinox and @23.2903u2904 or whatever and always complaining about the phat beats, bad ass basslines or whatever. i think i am way past that now. like glako said you just have to feel it man and be yourself and enjoy every moment of yo life. sorry to sound a little preachy but its true. you know you like PTB( chems @ their best ).

I like the approach to this album. No bullshit just fresh and good produced tracks.

[quote name="GLAKO-FAHN"] words of wisdom[quote]



GLAKO, I still think you're lying about your age! ;) ;)



At any rate, nice post.

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Almost 16 now :)

@23.976 Escribi�:

The point is not how well their records are being sold.

Like you can't hear the strong mainstream-pop-crap-rap influence? The more and more simplistic kind of sound with apparently less care taken of the production.



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But when it sounds like they just had to put *something* together..

It's one thing to just run out of inspiration. I can understand that. You just don't release anything in that case. But this is just too bad. Sounds more like the label was pressing on Chems to release the new album and they had to throw the album together fast.

Unmemorable synths, samples I think everyone making music has... That's not the ingredients of a great record.

Ah, someone else noticed it too. Although you're still a troll, I agree with the first part of your rant. This album indeed sounds simplistic and directed at the more commercial/mainstream market. And yes, I also believe the production on some songs (Galvanize, The Boxer and the utterly awful Shake Break Bounce and the one-off single Get Yourself High) is indeed pretty poor compared to some of their previous stuff. But I don't think the Chems are the kind of guys that let a label decide when an album has to be finished. They have chosen to mix their chemical touch with a more mainstream path, which is indeed a shame, but their next album will probably be even more accessable then all 5 of them. But you can't expect them to make albums like DYOH and EPD anymore, as big beat is dead and it wouldn't sell properly. Understandably, if music is your job you want to make some dosh out of it. You just have to accept the fact the Bros ain't the ones who walk in the front line anymore...

Commercial? Everywhere commercial. But i neither see nor hear it in any chemica song... must be another interpretation of commerce... thats objective not a transfigured point of view by a mad fan...

And what was really making me laughing was a statement of "including gangsta rap", haha, gangsta X-D if it was a allusion to Left Right, buhh i really awed the gangsta behind the words, the dirty lyrics...

your posts amuse me slipvin. if you are calling PTB commercial then you can go ahead and call DYOH and EPD commercial as well. I really don't see your point here. It's the same people who made EPD and DYOH. I have a question for you. Do you think BRB, HBHG,OOC,LFB are commercial ? they are really good records which everyone likes. not many artist can create which everybody likes but chems have the ability to turn many heads. ANYONE can make a good tune but it's what you do with it makes you stand out.

another thing haven't you guys heard 'Less is more' and PTB certainly proves that for sure."...the utterly awful Shake Break Bounce " Ok obviously your musical taste haven't matured enough to recognize this track.not that you need to be a great musical critic in order to understand the power of this track but still it shows that you are still stuck in the 90's with the beats.

chemicalreaction Escribi�:

your posts amuse me slipvin. if you are calling PTB commercial then you can go ahead and call DYOH and EPD commercial as well. I really don't see your point here. It's the same people who made EPD and DYOH. I have a question for you. Do you think BRB, HBHG,OOC,LFB are commercial ? they are really good records which everyone likes. not many artist can create which everybody likes but chems have the ability to turn many heads. ANYONE can make a good tune but it's what you do with it makes you stand out.

another thing haven't you guys heard 'Less is more' and PTB certainly proves that for sure."...the utterly awful Shake Break Bounce " Ok obviously your musical taste haven't matured enough to recognize this track.not that you need to be a great musical critic in order to understand the power of this track but still it shows that you are still stuck in the 90's with the beats.

Yeah right. Because I think SBB is a sucky track I don't 'get it' and I'm stuck in the 90's? Looks like some sort of a retalliation post from someone who can't seem to get that not everyone is as narrow minded as him. You know, that's called an opinion. Different people have different opinions, live with it.

Call me immature if you want, but Shake Break Bounce really is not something I like to listen to. When I'm playing PTB it always faces the hazard of being skipped.