Yeah, that's exactly what I think SR Cranks.

Once again, it all depends on the tastes. Just that I didn't know anyone would like this kind of minimalistic stuff. There're really many more good electronic bands out there. Chems just got more attention, that's all.

whirlygirl Escribi�:

I feel your pain at being the sort of odd man out here, it's never easy to be in the minority and express your opinions. I don't think it's right to imply (ie what was said to you: "you must like it") to any fan that they have to looooooooove every single piece of music their favorite musicians put out. Especially over a span of 10+ years, there's bound to be favorites and things that sound less than favorable - music is a passionate thing and I'm convinced we all hear things differently. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with us and doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the Chems.

Yeah it is very hard to voice your views when your the minority, i found that when expressing my views about the jaxx live shows compared to the chems. It true though not all hardcore fans will like this album, and if its not there fave or they don't like it, then it doesnt mean there not a fan of the band.

whirlygirl Escribi�:

alucard_antifreak Escribi�:

Hey, i respect your opinions and i also wanna give mine...PTB it's not commercial. I'm telling you that 'cause Mexico is a great parameter for commercial music...Radio stations only play bullsh*t all over our country. No Chems trax on rotation, only on the alternative but "no-commercial" stations like BEAT 109 on Mexico City. For real.

Haven't seen you around in a while! :)

i see him everyday... :x

All right, I promised myself not to feed the troll, but I can't keep coming back to this post :

@23.976 Escribi�:

Like you can't hear the strong mainstream-pop-crap-rap influence? The more and more simplistic kind of sound with apparently less care taken of the production.



I compose music myself, and I'm heavily into alternative rock and electro. I of course analize all the records in terms of complexity, mastering and everything. Not that the aim is to make the song as complex as you can. Things like Morning Lemon have proven that.

could you explain a bit this "weak production idea" when you listen to the albums in a row, it seems (to me) that the production gets cleaner and cleaner: PTB obviously has a very precise, cristalline sound, you can hear every sample, the spectrum is very wide, whereas on DYOH, the sound is sometimes a bit muddy (the private psychedelic reel, for example, actualy has a very dirty sound to it. especially the drums)



I am not saying the production is getting better, as in making better tracks, (TPPR is great) but, obviously, from a technical point, the guys apparently get better and better in production (as in making "cleaner records" : I label it "better" becaus it is obviously harder than putting together some lound trashy production just like on the prodigy's the fat of the land (Liam H. recognizes it himself) or Exit planet Dust)). I think they work their way a lot around the EQs so that the ferquencoes don't overlapse... I dunno.



I was wondering if i was the only one to notice this, and what does @23 thinks of this opinion. if you're into making music yourself, you should have noticed this phenomenon, IMO.



Plus, as you seem to be wise and full and knowledge (I think you crossed the line with the "change the crash sample" thing. If you think you can make better music than the chems do, go for it, man. I think everyone here will be willing to give his opinion on your tunes.), that would be very great if you could back up the "weak production" with some precise, concrete arguments.



I wouldn't say I dislike PTB, but i have to recognize it didn't strike me at the first listen as hard as the other albums did. I don't know why, it is hard to pin down, I like the tracks individually, but there is no urge to stuck one on repeat for a few hours till my eardrums bleed. Maybe It will change when I hear them live (on friday).

Get debating everybody, for its the great thing about democracy.

Freedom of speech and expression :D Without it we wouldnt be here

i love all this back are forth of comments in this thread.Ahh i love the person who invented 'the internet'.

but anyways back to the topic. I think chemical brothers sound in evolving with every new album(no new concept here) but their production skills have improved too over the years. Take song to the siren for example not a 'complex' record in terms of prodction but fuckin mental tune neverthless. Now take the boxer you can almost feel a touch of chemical but to an untrained ear it might sound like it has been produced but 2 entirely different producers. Ok my STTS and the boxer is not the best comparison but still it brings up a very interesting point. What is chemical brothers style?which genre? answer there is one answer. they mold and galvanize their tunes into whatever inspires them. what inspires them? a lot pop records ,imo.

Oh wait what was the original topic. nevermind.....yes i remember shut the hell up @23.420...no need for us to know your iq level here.

chemicalreaction Escribi�:

yes i remember shut the hell up @23.420...no need for us to know your iq level here.

I don't think there's any question about that.

@23.976 Escribi�:

This is like a "Windows vs. Mac" topic. Although I really think Macs rock :D

THANK YOU APPLE COMPUTERS FOR ALLOWING THE COMPUTER ILLITERATE ONTO THE INTERNET! THANK YOU SOOOOOOOO MUCH.

I don't think PTB has better production on it than Come With Us or Surrender. It is better than Exit though.



What I enjoy about the Chem's past production work is the constant panning on noises, the filtering from the depths of your insides that just rumbles with bass til they bring it up and it bursts out the top of your head, the flange on hi-hats etc... On PTB I think The Boxer, Come Inside, and Marvo Ging have some interesting and very effective production tricks thrown on them. If you enjoy the stripped down, minimalistic approach the Chem's have taken with this album, then you probably enjoy that the album isn't "too busy" with effects too.



Personally, I like it when the Chem's throw earth shattering bombs at you like in Elektrobank, or make you look over you shoulder to "see" where the sound is coming from like in Pioneer Skies.



Hey, to each his own!

Seems like you and me, SR Cranks, are of the exact same opinion :).



Samples sounding clear - I don't think it's any good though. If samples sound seperately and clearly, like "BD-hihat-snare", then what is it apart from being an arrangment of samples? They don't sound like drums. They sound like 3 samples played one after another.



2toomuchstash - the one who is illetetrate is you. Apple didn't allow the computer illeterate to go on the Net. They just made it easy. You think there're aren't many PC newbies? Probably 85% of the users are. But with Apple they dont have to be advanced users. You think Chem Bros know a lot about the shell scripts in Mac OS, or say changing file permissions using chmod? I really doubt that. But they don't need to know anything about that! It gives them what all of the computer users want nowadays - stability and easy interface. Chems use their Mac(s), sample their synths, play around with Logic, and enjoy life, while PC newbies have to call Microsoft each time their computer doesn't boot.



About shutting me the hell up - read the previous posts. If US is a free country, internet is an anarchy. So I can say what I want to say, unless I'm abusing someone. But I'm not. You are.

That's what you do when you run out of arguments - just shut people up so you can preserve the sense of yourself being right.

I'm peacefully talking about Chems changing their style and all, not that I'm making you throw away PTB and storm the Brothers' studio demanding better tracks. I'm glad to see people agreeing and disagreeing, but just posting crap like "Oh, u're a dork" doesn't contribute to the topic.

@23.976 Escribi�:

2toomuchstash - the one who is illetetrate is you.

wait, just wait, give me a moment to savour the beauty of this phrase, let your moronic, mouth breathing idiocy to sink in completely.... ok, almost down.... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



Note to R-Tard23.976: When calling someone illiterate, learn how to spell illiterate before you do so.

@23.976 Escribi�:

About shutting me the hell up - read the previous posts. If US is a free country, internet is an anarchy. So I can say what I want to say, unless I'm abusing someone. But I'm not. You are.

Firstly, the US is not a free country, the idea that there are still naifs who labor under that delusion is so sweet and cute and the idea that the internet is an anarchy is a hilariously quaint notion that may have been true for about 15 minutes back in 1993, but no longer. The internet is a business and this forum is an advertisement for the Chemical Brothers, a gathering place for their fans. You are not a fan, you are a troll.



Abusing trolls isn't just my right, it's my duty.

@23.976 Escribi�:

That's what you do when you run out of arguments - just shut people up so you can preserve the sense of yourself being right.

I'm peacefully talking about Chems changing their style and all, not that I'm making you throw away PTB and storm the Brothers' studio demanding better tracks. I'm glad to see people agreeing and disagreeing, but just posting crap like "Oh, u're a dork" doesn't contribute to the topic.

I never argued with you.



Are you familiar with the phrase, 'If you don't have anything nice to say, then shut the fuck up'? Well it applies here. You want to pretend that can come to the chemical brothers official forum, dis their best album since Surrender, hell, the best album they've ever made except for Surrender, and pretend your not just a troll who enjoys starting shit because you have no life?



I laugh at you.

Oh well, savor the flavor. I'm not a good speller, boo hoo. At least I have something to back my statements up with. And that's considering I only speak English for 3 years now.



Yeah, the forum is the place for fans to talk. And isn't it what I'm trying to do right now? But guys like you who apparently have nothing else to do but just sit around and type crap on a band's forum are shutting me up. I wonder if admin here bans for spam.

i call upon the almighty s2a and his modly powers to ban this mofo

@23.976 Escribi�:

Oh well, savor the flavor. I'm not a good speller, boo hoo. At least I have something to back my statements up with. And that's considering I only speak English for 3 years now.



Yeah, the forum is the place for fans to talk. And isn't it what I'm trying to do right now? But guys like you who apparently have nothing else to do but just sit around and type crap on a band's forum are shutting me up. I wonder if admin here bans for spam.

You have an opinion, an opinion that happens to be wrong. I know everyone thinks that opinions are sacrosanct, and that all opinions are of equal value, but sadly this is not the case. For example, there were a great many people who had the opinion that National Socialism was great for Germany. There were people who had the opinion that Iraq was an imminent threat to the United States. Clearly, opinions can be wrong, such as yours.



I'm well paid to tell you to STFU. If I wasn't, I wouldn't be bothering.

So, you're saying, that there's only one opinion that's *right* about Push the Button and it is "it rox"?

Well, dude, get off dope and fast.

@23.976 Escribi�:

So, you're saying, that there's only one opinion that's *right* about Push the Button and it is "it rox"?

Well, dude, get off dope and fast.

Yes.



Obviously if *I* think it's incredible, and *you* think it sucks, there is something wrong with you. Maybe it's too musicly complex for you. Maybe they've simply evolved past you, and one day you'll catch up. Maybe your mother drank a great deal while she was pregnant. Maybe you were beaten up by black kids a lot in school and you don't like the hip-hop tracks. Maybe your dad touched you while he thought you were sleeping. Maybe it's that they don't mention Canada in the song 'Left Right' and it offended your sense of national pride. I don't know exactly what is wrong with you, only that there's something wrong.



And, once more, if you expect to come to the Brothers official website, espouse your Hata' bullshit and be welcomed with open arms, you're the one who's consuming too much cough syrup, not I.

All right. Just don't read the topic then and let me see what others have to say about Push the Button. I'm really tired of you wasting the message board's database.

@23.976 Escribi�:

All right. Just don't read the topic then and let me see what others have to say about Push the Button. I'm really tired of you wasting the message board's database.

I'm sure the adminstrators of this incredible forum are deeply moved by your concern for the message boards database.



I'm certain that they value the opinion of trolls who have nothing to discuss except the poor quality of their new album. They're probably grateful to you, for all you've done, that maybe someone who's thinking about purchasing PTB will come here, see your post, and you will save them from buying it and being disappointed. Bravo, and thank you!

this has gone too far.



I suggest a sword duel. to the death.



toomuch'stach, you slightly disappoint me. you should take a good look at the image you posted.