TheFlamingDead_ Escribi�:

X-D That guy is gay. Definitely.

This guy loves a bit of bum ring pumping!



Yes its sucks that a gay club is useing the chems like this. Not that i have anything against boys loving boys aslong as they don't go for me. Im sure theres a fair few chems fans who are gay, but there doing no harm.

Don't forget electronic music was born in gay clubs...

TryptaJunk Escribi�:

Don't forget electronic music was born in gay clubs...

thats crap. Justify that!

Well, I don't know, uh, of course that's not purely true, actually I'm a member of the GAP (Gay Agency for Propaganda) but it seems to me that in the early 80's, Gay clubs un the united states (esp. in chicago) gave birth to electronic dance music, which then spread in various clubs across the country and then across the atlancic and fusionned with British new wave to create something even better, and then, uh, well...





Well, I don't know, but you can argue, despite all "Bum ring pumping" (obviously, you never tried ;-) ) that gay guys really know how to party and luuuuurve electornic music. Of course it is a bit exxagerated to say that they are alone responsible of dance music as we know it, but they certainly had their role to play.

TryptaJunk Escribi�:

Well, I don't know, uh, of course that's not purely true, actually I'm a member of the GAP (Gay Agency for Propaganda) but it seems to me that in the early 80's, Gay clubs un the united states (esp. in chicago) gave birth to electronic dance music, which then spread in various clubs across the country and then across the atlancic and fusionned with British new wave to create something even better, and then, uh, well...





Well, I don't know, but you can argue, despite all "Bum ring pumping" (obviously, you never tried ;-) ) that gay guys really know how to party and luuuuurve electornic music. Of course it is a bit exxagerated to say that they are alone responsible of dance music as we know it, but they certainly had their role to play.

Yes,I understand.Of course,I amnot gay. X-D

But I think gay people are very friendly,cheerful,smart...fashionable and

they arenot racists.

I have been to the club ' Heaven ' etc....in London.

I thoght when I spoken them in the club ...They were very kind cute people.haha.

They love music..anyway. :P

TryptaJunk Escribi�:

Well, I don't know, uh, of course that's not purely true, actually I'm a member of the GAP (Gay Agency for Propaganda) but it seems to me that in the early 80's, Gay clubs un the united states (esp. in chicago) gave birth to electronic dance music, which then spread in various clubs across the country and then across the atlancic and fusionned with British new wave to create something even better, and then, uh, well...





Well, I don't know, but you can argue, despite all "Bum ring pumping" (obviously, you never tried ;-) ) that gay guys really know how to party and luuuuurve electornic music. Of course it is a bit exxagerated to say that they are alone responsible of dance music as we know it, but they certainly had their role to play.

i agree that gay people know how to party. they know their electronic music.

iguanapunk Escribi�:

This thread has made me very uncomfortable.

Oh man, that made me laugh, iguana. funny.

Don't get me wrong i have nothing aginst gay people personalities(i have gay friends at uni), there nice people and im sure they know how to party. But i just think dance/electronic music could not of just come from one scence such as the gay scene.



Personally i see homosexuality as unnatural and i wouldnt like to sleep with another man. Therefore despite gay peoples love of electronic music I dont think PTB should be promoted at a gay night because it means straight people are put off from going such as toomuch'stash.



Why cant it be promoted at a straight night where straights do not have to watch "Boy University Student Body Dancers", why not have a mix of sexualities at this launch party?

ACIDCHILDREN Escribi�:

Don't get me wrong i have nothing aginst gay people personalities(i have gay friends at uni), there nice people and im sure they know how to party. But i just think dance/electronic music could not of just come from one scence such as the gay scene.



Personally i see homosexuality as unnatural and i wouldnt like to sleep with another man. Therefore despite gay peoples love of electronic music I dont think PTB should be promoted at a gay night because it means straight people are put off from going such as toomuch'stash.



Why cant it be promoted at a straight night where straights do not have to watch "Boy University Student Body Dancers", why not have a mix of sexualities at this launch party?

Find enough straight people in North America within a fifty mile radius who are actually bothered enough about dance music in general and the Chems in particular and we'll talk.......



As for :



TryptaJunk wrote:

Don't forget electronic music was born in gay clubs...



ACIDCHILDREN wrote:

thats crap. Justify that!



Read (http://www.amazon.co...=books&n=507846) Last Night a DJ Saved My Life for a pretty comprehensive history of DJing and dance music. Modern dance music is almost exclusively a child of gay clubbing in the 70's and 80's. Much of it was created and pioneered by straight people, but those heteros were working at gay clubs.



Not gay myself (sad that I feel I have to state that...), but let's give credit to where credit is due.

ACIDCHILDREN Escribi�:

Don't get me wrong i have nothing aginst gay people personalities(i have gay friends at uni), there nice people and im sure they know how to party. But i just think dance/electronic music could not of just come from one scence such as the gay scene.



Personally i see homosexuality as unnatural and i wouldnt like to sleep with another man. Therefore despite gay peoples love of electronic music I dont think PTB should be promoted at a gay night because it means straight people are put off from going such as toomuch'stash.



Why cant it be promoted at a straight night where straights do not have to watch "Boy University Student Body Dancers", why not have a mix of sexualities at this launch party?

I agree dance and electronic music (as we know it today) could not have come out of just one particular scene. People have always danced, and not all clubs were/are gay clubs. But I think once upon a time, when the "scene" was still largely underground, gay people who were ostracized from hetero-dominated society naturally gravitated toward the underground. It gave them a sense of who they were, and thus it became a part of their culture (I would like to read Last Night A DJ Saved My Life - will get to it one day) But on that same token, I think electronic music has never discriminated - it's always been a mix of different scenes, with different crowds, different influences - that's why dance/electronic music has been subcategorized in to several different subgenres, to the point of oblivion over the years.



I would hope you don't view your gay friends at uni as being unnatural, simply because being attracted to men would be an unnatural persuasion to you. I think what you said here would be hurtful to them. But being straight, I understand that me being sexually attracted to women (sorry boys) is just not my thing. Not because I find homosexuality unnatural, but because, simply, I am attracted to men. So I see the gist of what you're saying, and I don't think you mean any ill will.



For the record, and I feel I can speak for toomuch'stash, he's not put off by the release party being held at a gay club. Not really. We've been to plenty of clubs where the straight-to-gay ratio left us outnumbered. Gay people don't scare us, or put us off. What's put stash off is the *possible* upcoming spectacle that involves greasy, hairless men in speedos and leather biker hats grinding against each other to the tune of Marvo Ging. It's something he doesn't want to see and frankly, neither do I. That goes for chicks on chicks, and hetero spectacles bumping and grinding to anything that is Push the Button. You know, I think the music should speak for itself without paid dancers - let the people on the floor be the judges and bust their own moves.

i disagree with some of what ur saying whirly, i will respond properly when im in less of a rush.



Natural is being sexual attract to the opposite sex. If this did not occur then thr human race could not continue, therefoire this is natural. Therefore is everyone was homosexual the human race couldnt continue because this is unnatural for evloution to occur.



Of course you know stash better so i shouldnt of made a judgement on his views.

Ah, I knew it would come to this. Believe me, I totally understand about the propogation of the species.



I get where you're coming from. Really, I do. I just think the argument can go deeper than what is construed as natural and unnatural - there are a lot of genetic/scientific facets to this entire argument. The first of which being, homosexuality occurs elsewhere in the animal kingdom. This is a fact. You can argue that this is unnatural as far as propogation of the species go, and you have a point here. But that does not cover the amounts of lesbians who are physically able to give birth and have done so. Nor does it account for the many straight people who cannot conceive no matter how hard they try, and no matter how hard science tries to keep up.



It could all boil down to genetics. Something the medical and scientific communities are still trying to pin down. Homosexuality is not a choice anymore than it was for me to be straight.

how many funny words fo a gay do you know?!



-botter

-bummer

-rimmer

-mary

-ponce on the heath

-mandy(mandelson)

-gayer

-minstrel

-shotstopper

-buffter

-nonce

-beckham

-curious butcher

-crafty butcher

-hot meat salad lover

- burrel

-shit stabber

-poo pusher

-hiney high-way hitcher

-going brown

-nutella sandwich

Thanks chem'd up. This thread is officially gay. Then again, it was from the very beginning. ;-)



ACIDCHILDREN, having re-read my above post, I hope I haven't come off as argumentive because that's not really my intention seeing as I know exactly what you mean and everything. I just love a good conversation!

I agree with whirly here and I was about to post the same thing, but she did it before me.



I agree with the unnatural thing when you consider it from a *reproduction*basis, but this is wrong in world as we know it, I mean, Acidchildren, I hope you do not have sex just to have a child, and the fact that there are a few examples of homosexuality amongst animals puts things in perspective. so from a global *pleasure* (as opposed to reproduction) approach, there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, just as there is nothing wrong with masturbation.



Taking the piss,meanly, out of gay people, just like the "bum ring pumping" joke, makes me feel unconfortable, even if I can find it funny, but when it is written down, you never know if the person writing this is serious or joking, I mean it is just like racist/macho jokes, you can enjoy them for the sake of humour (Pierre Desproges, a great French comic once said that "you can laugh about anything, but not with anyone"), but when it starts being the vector of a proper, evil message, it is really wrong IMO.

chemd'up Escribi�:

how many funny words fo a gay do you know?!



-botter

-bummer

-rimmer

-mary

-ponce on the heath

-mandy(mandelson)

-gayer

-minstrel

-shotstopper

-buffter

-nonce

-beckham

-curious butcher

-crafty butcher

-hot meat salad lover

- burrel

-shit stabber

-poo pusher

-hiney high-way hitcher

-going brown

-nutella sandwich

That's the first time i have heard those names 8O

In French we have a funny one : "braguette arriere", which means (roughly) "rear zipper". (is it a zipper or a zip? the metal thing on the front of trousers, you know, for.. er.. access purposes?). just picture the thing, you'll understand"

Well stated, Whirly, as always.



I feel basically the same way. Nothing against homosexuality, but guys just aren't my thing. Or at least I haven't met the right one yet! 8O haha.



As humans, we do so many things that are "unnatural" (such as a 40-hour work week, drive SUVs, listen to Top 40 radio, etc.) that arse-shagging is a ways down the list in terms of importance... Not to mention it can be a perfectly hetero activity as well, although earning my "brown belt" wasn't a life-changing achievement...



Oh, and for the slang, add "poof", "buftie", and "fudgepacker" to the list. :)

X-D poo pusher X-D ,that is the best.