hehe, if u try questions with slipvin, they won't work. logic doesn't. he doesn't like logic, simple. i tried. subconsiously he knows now that he likes most of ptb, he has a problem with just some few stupid things with some songs - he needs to just work himself out. let's wish him a speedy recovery.

It's interesting how some people's views about Slipvin are mostly based on whether he is perceived to like (the current) chemical music or not. Positive reviews are logical and negative ones are not?

"I followed your suggestion not reading your review. But i looked at the credits you gave and was surprised a bit. Not what I was expecting to see. Was it hard for you writing some good statements on the chems' music?"

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How can you look at the credits and not subconsiously read the shit I wrote?

soundertow i was talking from what i felt after a long chat over msn recently, where he came outta the closet mostly, not on this review.

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      "I followed your suggestion not reading your review. But i looked at the credits you gave and was surprised a bit. Not what I was expecting to see. Was it hard for you writing some good statements on the chems' music?"
   
   
   
   

   How can you look at the credits and not subconsiously read the shit I wrote?

Percolating, you know. Looking at the track's title and the corresponding credit you gave. Smart, aye?! That's all. But you didn't answer my question, Slip.

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   It's interesting how some people's views about Slipvin are mostly based on whether he is perceived to like (the current) chemical music or not. Positive reviews are logical and negative ones are not?
   

I hope it's not. I still believe in this people and that we are a bunch of honest individuals which say what they're thinking, unregarded whether he/she/it has something positive or negative to state about the album or whatever. Otherwise we all would be pointless nerds.

i guess slipvin is earning himself back into this board??? btw- i like the review

Yes, a very nice review. I can understand Saturate's review--either you get it or you don't-- but I would have to dispute Battle Scars and, to a lesser extent, A Modern Midnight Conversation. Battle Scars starts with the vocals from the intro, but the lyrics Ace, as well as Will Mason's voice. The instrumental side might be a little repetitive though, but still. The other song is great just because of the vocal, how they hit the 80's sound right on the noggin, and the great effects. I think it is a tad too long for the content, but I'm not complaining.

All of this is imho though. I'm glad you liked it Slipvin! It's a very refreshing thing :wink:

Soundertow - u might wanna have a good look at people's post ;)

I dont give a shit if somebody likes their music or not. Seriosuly. But i DO give a shit when people only talk negative bollocks. That is what Slipvin usually does. But now he doesn't. I'm not gonna be negative to him now when he made an exception and wrote a post that actually makes sense!

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   but I would have to dispute Battle Scars and, to a lesser extent, A Modern Midnight Conversation. Battle Scars starts with the vocals from the intro, but the lyrics Ace, as well as Will Mason's voice. The instrumental side might be a little repetitive though, but still. The other song is great just because of the vocal, how they hit the 80's sound right on the noggin, and the great effects. I think it is a tad too long for the content, but I'm not complaining.
   
   
   

   
   

And these are the points I wanted to touch on and add to before, only I didn't have time. So thanks for bringing these up to joggle my memory so I can have a chance to expand on what I wanted to say. :)

I have to say in regards to Slipvin, I never knew you held The Test in such high regard!!

Anyway - on with Battle Scars. whirly Spoilers:

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I can see where the wait for this song to take off (like how lots of Chems songs do) may not appeal to everyone which is fair enough. I already have an emotional attachment to the song, and feel it's one of the Chems most reflective and in many ways, introspective song at least for me. What I mean, is that to me it perfectly depicts what it's like getting older and having this weight of life and passing time on your shoulders. Strangled by the rent, a child born in a world of scorn, not really knowing where you're going or what purpose you have only that you're on this path called life... You get through it, the final charge as you're walking into that setting sun, looking for that brand new beat - and what's left is you're older and wiser because history's catching up at last and you've got the scars of life to show for it. Maybe I'm just looking too deeply into this song, but it hits me on many levels that are intensely personal. I also love Willy Mason's voice, reminds me a lot of Johnny Cash (who I adore). I love the vocal delivery. And I love the references to time which is something I never seem to have enough of. For me, another reason why I really dig this tune... Not everyone's going to see and hear this song like I do, but I am confident with where I stand with Battle Scars, so I'm not trying to argue. I just wanted to put those thoughts out there because I think this song is a 10'er.

With A Modern Midnight Conversation (cow bell!!), there is something about the bass, the funky parts that remind me of Denmark (or more like Denmark's much better looking older brother, heh). I liked it on first listen but wasn't entirely sure. For me, this one's the only grower on the album but I do think it's delivery is lush, the song beautifully produced the only way the Chems can do it and it deserves more play than a push on the skip or off button. To me the most beautiful parts come in at around 4:40 where the song breaks off into these... I don't know how to describe it other than... the song breaks into these prisms of sound that conjure up images in my mind of light bursting through stained glass in a cathedral. And there are these illustrious swooshes of sound that play like wind through the trees. The twinkly parts at the very end, as they drift off into hyperspace... I'll say listening to this while star gazing last night brought me closer to this song.

I'm glad I never heard EBW8, I actually think Saturate is pretty good.

I think choosing to leave EBW9 off the album was a good idea as it doesn't really fit in with the style of the rest of the album.

I've loved Saturate EBW8 ever since the first listen so I was really excited to hear it was on WATN.

If I ever have to choose between saturate and EBW8, I will have to choose EBW8 since I really like that beginning part. I'm not saying Saturate is bad, I'm just saying I just prefer listening to the song with the EBW8 beginning.

Uhh, Adam EBW9 sounds like it could fit to the WATN style. At least from what iv'e heard (DIA, Das Spiegel, EBW8). In fact I thought it would be burst generator (i was wrong).

ebw9 is sorta on the lines of ebw7. that very good old. dare i say 'techno' sound. sorry i like the word techno. its very acidic where as ebw8 aka saturate is melodic and inspirational on another level. two different songs. oil and vinegar... i would like to hear ebw9 and ebw7 mixed into eachother. that would fucking kill me. shit i need a scotch just thinking about. i gotta go spin now. later on.

that's pretty true mr.time

I am confident with We Are The Night and all the songs on it. I am more confident with this album and the songs on it and choices the Chems made to put this album together, as this is fast edging the others out to be my favorite Chems album. While EBW8 and 9 are of the same generation so they both could have worked, EBW8/Saturate fits into the flow and cohesiveness of the album and works perfectly in context... I'm sure had the Chems decided to trade that song out in order to peg EBW9 into the album, it would have worked too - but that is neither here nor there. takesumtime brings up solid points about EBW9 and EBW8/Saturate and I agree with the differences between the acid EBW9 and the melodic EB8/saturate. I also agree with his bit about needing a scotch just thinking about hearing 7 and 9 mixing into each other. ;)

damn, 7 and 9 together. that WOULD be fricin awesome. i should try that myself cause 1 of my friends has a couple mixers but he doesn't know how to use them and i do.

I dunno Whirly... I think I'm old school. If i want a whole Chems "experience" i'd still put on DYOH. WATN is excellent in certain areas... But I think it excels at trying new things. A lot of people said the same things about Surrender.. but after a few listens, you really start to connect with it.

Slipvin's review was excellent, and I agreed almost completely with the ratings. But as far as Midnight Conversation, I was born in the mid 70s, so 80s music is "like totally up my alley, dude" hehe... so I love the throwbacks. :)

Personally, given the history, I think this album is going to give some ROCKIN' b-sides and remixes.

Ooo, I almost forgot about the B-sides for a second, bet there can be some real gems on the coming singles!