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Posted 17 February 2011 - 8:21 PM
Fantastic to see some positive world news for a change, loving the people power in Tunisia and Egypt. As others were saying however the prospect of the army taking over is worrying. Often they're very reluctant to let go of power (in the last few years like Bangladesh and Thailand) or run a country just as badly as the politicians (Guinea). I suppose now its up to the Egyptian people in what kind of government they want, although just because it's a muslim country doesn't mean they want an Islamic government, as in Turkey and Iraq.
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Posted 20 February 2011 - 11:20 AM
don't think it is going to end up like in guinea, egypt is too much linked to the western world for such developments, also too much monitored.
I am worried about the situation in libya now and also in iran.
I am worried about the situation in libya now and also in iran.
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Posted 22 February 2011 - 8:39 AM
BoywiththeGoldenEyes, on 21 February 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:
what is going on in libya? am really worried...
They say that there are hundreds of dead civil people because the army is bombing the citys with jet fighters.
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Posted 22 February 2011 - 9:43 PM
Coming for a country that recently had it's fair share of troubles not unlike those we see today, i remain both happy and fearful for people of Egypt. And Libya, it seems, is coming along too. Yes, road will be hard and long, yes, doors are open for all kind of wolves to come in, but the journey has started, and i hope it will be short in turmoil and long in prosperity.
Once the people start to realize that their voice does make a difference, there is just no stopping them. We are very lucky indeed to live in a time where such things are possible, not in small part thanks to this wonder of technology called internet. To be able to share opinions and information with people from all over the world... ahh, so much good will come from this!
Once the people start to realize that their voice does make a difference, there is just no stopping them. We are very lucky indeed to live in a time where such things are possible, not in small part thanks to this wonder of technology called internet. To be able to share opinions and information with people from all over the world... ahh, so much good will come from this!
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Posted 23 February 2011 - 4:55 PM
What about "Antique dictators for sale"? 
Mubarak obviously had more respect for his own people, and he must have understood that by not forcing the army to attack he could still stand down honourably. Ok, it's not right to compare to Gorbachev but maybe Mubarak was advised to take after him? Gaddafi on the other hand... He must be senile or otherwise bad tempered, both qualities entirely unfitting for a leader. And since he's already had protesters butchered there's no clean not to mention honourable way out (he must be painfully aware of this, considering how desperately he's clinging to his position). I think the longer he stays the less likely he's getting out alive.
I still think the Western world should not intervene any more than they have. Military action would only fuel extremist and xenophobe elements, which could in part make it much harder to form new governments any better or more democratic than the old.
Mubarak obviously had more respect for his own people, and he must have understood that by not forcing the army to attack he could still stand down honourably. Ok, it's not right to compare to Gorbachev but maybe Mubarak was advised to take after him? Gaddafi on the other hand... He must be senile or otherwise bad tempered, both qualities entirely unfitting for a leader. And since he's already had protesters butchered there's no clean not to mention honourable way out (he must be painfully aware of this, considering how desperately he's clinging to his position). I think the longer he stays the less likely he's getting out alive.
I still think the Western world should not intervene any more than they have. Military action would only fuel extremist and xenophobe elements, which could in part make it much harder to form new governments any better or more democratic than the old.
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Posted 23 February 2011 - 6:41 PM
so good to see that new generation is about to riot against all those bloody bloody dictators. gaddafi is next. none of them expected the power of the new interweb generation. hopefully europe (russia f.e.) is next.
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Posted 23 February 2011 - 6:58 PM
I can't see it happening in Russia. You can't even compare the sitation at all. Also, Russia is using modern communication networks very wisely to win supporters for the system (think of Nashi) - check RT (Russia Today, a TV station with a totally different positions on many issues compared to those of the western civilisation).
There's a number of Arabian states with dictatorships still. Much more in Africa - Sudan or Mugabe's Zimbabwe. A change there would be very welcome.
And in Belarus also, for sure. The country needs a change.
There's a number of Arabian states with dictatorships still. Much more in Africa - Sudan or Mugabe's Zimbabwe. A change there would be very welcome.
And in Belarus also, for sure. The country needs a change.
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Posted 23 February 2011 - 7:44 PM
Screw it, just have everyone revolt and then the people will rule a utopia.
Do you guys realize how serious a revolution really is? It's not like "oh, that country's in a bad state, I hope they revolt". Revolution is the complete destruction of the old society. If the people who are doing it are well-intentioned and keep those good intentions after taking power, then the chances of actual improvement are better. If not, or if those good intentions turn out to involve more destruction, things may only become worse. Regardless, revolutions are almost always violent and destructive things. You can't just use it as a cure-all.
Do you guys realize how serious a revolution really is? It's not like "oh, that country's in a bad state, I hope they revolt". Revolution is the complete destruction of the old society. If the people who are doing it are well-intentioned and keep those good intentions after taking power, then the chances of actual improvement are better. If not, or if those good intentions turn out to involve more destruction, things may only become worse. Regardless, revolutions are almost always violent and destructive things. You can't just use it as a cure-all.
charanku, on 29 March 2013 - 2:58 PM, said:
yes he is dancing but .............
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Posted 23 February 2011 - 8:14 PM
Champiness, on 23 February 2011 - 08:44 PM, said:
Screw it, just have everyone revolt and then the people will rule a utopia.
Do you guys realize how serious a revolution really is? It's not like "oh, that country's in a bad state, I hope they revolt". Revolution is the complete destruction of the old society. If the people who are doing it are well-intentioned and keep those good intentions after taking power, then the chances of actual improvement are better. If not, or if those good intentions turn out to involve more destruction, things may only become worse. Regardless, revolutions are almost always violent and destructive things. You can't just use it as a cure-all.
Do you guys realize how serious a revolution really is? It's not like "oh, that country's in a bad state, I hope they revolt". Revolution is the complete destruction of the old society. If the people who are doing it are well-intentioned and keep those good intentions after taking power, then the chances of actual improvement are better. If not, or if those good intentions turn out to involve more destruction, things may only become worse. Regardless, revolutions are almost always violent and destructive things. You can't just use it as a cure-all.
yeah, champi, I know what a revolution is. and I am hoping for one for sudan, zimbabwe, belarus and a couple of other countries.
just because they are quite often (not almost always, remember 1989/1990) violent and destructive and they do not neccessarily change things for better that does not mean they should not come up in certain parts of the world.
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Posted 23 February 2011 - 8:16 PM
sandelic, on 22 February 2011 - 01:43 PM, said:
Coming for a country that recently had it's fair share of troubles not unlike those we see today, i remain both happy and fearful for people of Egypt. And Libya, it seems, is coming along too. Yes, road will be hard and long, yes, doors are open for all kind of wolves to come in, but the journey has started, and i hope it will be short in turmoil and long in prosperity.
Once the people start to realize that their voice does make a difference, there is just no stopping them. We are very lucky indeed to live in a time where such things are possible, not in small part thanks to this wonder of technology called internet. To be able to share opinions and information with people from all over the world... ahh, so much good will come from this!
Once the people start to realize that their voice does make a difference, there is just no stopping them. We are very lucky indeed to live in a time where such things are possible, not in small part thanks to this wonder of technology called internet. To be able to share opinions and information with people from all over the world... ahh, so much good will come from this!
Scales, on 23 February 2011 - 08:55 AM, said:
What about "Antique dictators for sale"?
Mubarak obviously had more respect for his own people, and he must have understood that by not forcing the army to attack he could still stand down honourably. Ok, it's not right to compare to Gorbachev but maybe Mubarak was advised to take after him? Gaddafi on the other hand... He must be senile or otherwise bad tempered, both qualities entirely unfitting for a leader. And since he's already had protesters butchered there's no clean not to mention honourable way out (he must be painfully aware of this, considering how desperately he's clinging to his position). I think the longer he stays the less likely he's getting out alive.
I still think the Western world should not intervene any more than they have. Military action would only fuel extremist and xenophobe elements, which could in part make it much harder to form new governments any better or more democratic than the old.
Mubarak obviously had more respect for his own people, and he must have understood that by not forcing the army to attack he could still stand down honourably. Ok, it's not right to compare to Gorbachev but maybe Mubarak was advised to take after him? Gaddafi on the other hand... He must be senile or otherwise bad tempered, both qualities entirely unfitting for a leader. And since he's already had protesters butchered there's no clean not to mention honourable way out (he must be painfully aware of this, considering how desperately he's clinging to his position). I think the longer he stays the less likely he's getting out alive.
I still think the Western world should not intervene any more than they have. Military action would only fuel extremist and xenophobe elements, which could in part make it much harder to form new governments any better or more democratic than the old.
Very nicely said, you 2. I like the input from everyone, and can learn a lot by just reading what everyone says.
I don't preach violence but I think sometimes revolutions are a necessary evil in a time when evil prevails.
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Posted 23 February 2011 - 8:20 PM
without certain revolutions I'd still live in the communist system with family of mine, friends of my family, other fantastic people I've met and probably also myself in jail for "political crimes". (also without chemical brothers and many other things that are just normal for us in these days now)
also, all of us would live under permanent threat of a nuclear (and obviously final) war.
also, all of us would live under permanent threat of a nuclear (and obviously final) war.
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Posted 24 February 2011 - 12:33 AM
BoywiththeGoldenEyes, on 23 February 2011 - 09:20 PM, said:
without certain revolutions I'd still live in the communist system with family of mine, friends of my family, other fantastic people I've met and probably also myself in jail for "political crimes". (also without chemical brothers and many other things that are just normal for us in these days now)
also, all of us would live under permanent threat of a nuclear (and obviously final) war.
also, all of us would live under permanent threat of a nuclear (and obviously final) war.
second that.
i also know that revolutions are mostly violent und cruel. but it's good to see that people without many resources AND in a repressive nation can change things. we europeans had our big revolutions back in the days (france, germany, italy,...) and like boywiththegoldeneyes said, it was important to have them. if it's not violent, brutal it's (almost) not a revolution, no, it's "just" protest. That's why the privileged who live in free countrys with democracies should think of why they life in a free country
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Posted 24 February 2011 - 4:10 AM
The bloke off the internet, on 15 February 2011 - 05:51 AM, said:
Tunisia : done
Egypt : done
Algeria : in progress
Who's next ?
Egypt : done
Algeria : in progress
Who's next ?
I got my answer : Libya ftw !
By the way, shooting his own people with fighter aircrafts...I think (but I might be wrong) that Kadhafi is not the nicest person on earth.
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inchemwetrust, on 12 August 2011 - 11:00 AM, said:
For those who haven't seen them, I only have one thing to say.....Ha Ha!
ThePumisher, on 04 September 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:
i didn't wear pants at home ;)