I was thinking to myself today what the board is and why I come here. I think the real reason why we all come here is because it's a music haven, where we all can discuss and talk about the chem's and related music. I really enjoy coming here because there's not many other people I can talk to about this kind of music and that are this interested in it. It's great because for the majority everyone gets along and we have developed a great little community. Another main reason why I come here is because the board is just focused on music. It's like an escape from all the other things that meddle in our lives.



Recently people have been dragging in politics and other argumentative topics into the community. I think that's one of the main reason why we come here; so we don't have to deal with the global, political, and social problems here. We could argue and debate about these types of topics, but that would destroy the bond that we all have formed with the board. In the end, you're still going to believe what you believe and the same with the person with the opposing view. When you display hateful images or words, you accomplish nothing. People on your side just agree and your opposition disagrees with you.



I say we keep this board how it is. If you really enjoy coming here, I think everyone would like to preserve it. I think that certain issues should be voiced in appropriate venues, and this isn't one for hate. Those who really care about the board, and have experienced this issue, know what I'm talking about.

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i think it shows a great open mindedness of all the nationalities on here that we can actually talk about something other than music,and have intelligent, constructive conversations about things, i think this is a benefit to this boared as i have seen many ones that the ppl on it are too stupid or ignorant to be able to discuss other issues.

good words EBW.



Why do i come here. to share knowledge, stories and experience, and like wise to read other peoples. i love this bands music and want to be as involved with it as i can. like the other day finding out about the 'confront your demons' promo mix. i now have a mission to find this. knowledge is power.



with respect to all the political/world news postings on this board, its not something i want to comment on. i mean i take great interest in what goes on in this world and i try to keep up-to-date with the news. but i don't feel comfortable posting on these subjects. to me it not the right place. i'm not saying it wrong to post for other people, its just a personal decision.



i'm gonna be around here for a long time to come, it might be a bit nerdy. but i like hanging round here

EBW I understand your concerns, they are valid, but I am going to side with chem'd up on this one.



Since this is a Chemical Brothers board, ideally, we should all talk about nothing but the Chems, what Chemical songs we're listening to, why Tom and Ed are still doing music past 30, what we've collected, what interviews we've read, what concerts we've seen, and what our favorite/least favorite songs are. But those above mentioned topics have been done somewhat ad nauseum and all though they are good topics for discussion, they are pretty much introductory and the reality is, things would get stale around here if that's all we talked about. The music is why we came here first and no matter what disagreements we have or flame wars we get into, we shouldn't lose sight of that. However, what makes a community thrive is not only the thing that brought us here, but trying to find some common ground on other things which are important or of some interest to us. I agree I hate spamming and nonsequitor replies just to boost someone's post count, but when that happens I usually won't partake in that particular thread until it's derailed into something that's of interest again. Some of us here have known each other online for quite a while and undoubtedly there have been and will continue to be, other things to talk about besides the Chemical Brothers - and the only way I'd see this as a bad thing is if this is done ad nauseum. We aren't modded here, there are no rules of what we can and cannot post. We aren't censored, and I think we've got a lot of autonomy here even though a lot of us including myself have abused the lax qualities of this forum. But for the most part the way things are run around here is a good thing because we can handle ourselves with little or no conflict. Political threads aren't popping up every 3 minutes, and the I Was There forum isn't spammed to oblivion with talks about contraceptives. The day this place becomes a modded police state telling me what I can and cannot say to the topic (or the derailed off topic at hand) is the day I bid this place goodbye. But I don't think that will happen. We are quite cozy here and there's no snobby "I've been here longer than you" elitism - which I've seen and experienced elsewhere. Compared to other places this place is a nice little pub where everyone can join in, or sit on the sidelines. And we all have the freedom to start a new topic if we don't ike the ones already in effect.

yeah this is a great community, but when we discuss politics and other such nonsense, we usually say it in a joking manner, nothing too serious to where we cant get the hell out of it and discuss anything Chemical. sometimes it just gets a little old of hearing the same questions and discussions so we talk about somehting else right? right.

chemd'up Escribi�:

and have intelligent, constructive conversations about things, i think this is a benefit to this boared as i have seen many ones that the ppl on it are too stupid or ignorant to be able to discuss other issues.

How is comparing George W. Bush to a Nazi intelligent? Though you may not agree with his actions, comparing him to a political party that supported ethnic cleansing, racial sovereignty, was focused on world domination, and in the end killed 11 million people is a bit off. Maybe this is what you call an intelligent conversation, but not me. I've seen loads of these extremist views in protests. Many young people jump on the protesting bandwagon because at a young age young people always seem to have perception that there is great injustice happening to them and everywhere. In many recent protests, I have seen many people saying President Bush and Vice-President Cheney are Nazi's, saying he's a baby killer, and other such messages. All this is, is name calling. It shows that these people cannot objectively analyze President Bush's actions. In a protest, the people are suppose to voice the policies they are against and what types of policies they want implemented, not resort to childish name calling.



I only recall two protests against Clinton when he started the Dessert Fox campaign. No protestors were out in the street yelling at Clinton not to kill innocent civilians. There have been insane amount of more protests against President Bush. If you really want to get a feeling for the type of intelligence that some of the protesters have, you should check out the following sites. http://brain-termina...nyc-2003-02-15/ http://brain-termina.../sf-2003-03-15/ http://brain-termina...deo/peace-love/

this is the only forum i know of that isn't modded and it is so so great here, thats why i post as often as i can. ive found people who love the same things, like spending too much money on rare records, i have someone to exchange parenting tips with(whirlygirl)!! some canadiand to make fun of!!!! hehe only jokin.



the "irish" simpsons was on today,the one with rex banner the prohabition guy! its the funniest one ever! anyway i aggree whole heartedly with whirly girl. this is a unique and amazing community, and i just wanted to say.......I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!! :'(







Rex baner: "Ill get you beer baron"



Homer; "no you wont"



Rex: "yes i will"



Homer:"...............................wont!"

I don't have a problem with talking about nonsensical things and such, I do have a problem with chem'd sig. Number one, I don't think anyone wants the word FUCK in 200 point font on their computer screen. I really want your signature to be changed.

I agree with whirly (not trying to sound whipped).



This board is very closely tied, we don't get too many outsiders coming in and out. I'm sure we all at some point have disliked something about this board. Mine being people just shit talking nonstop about the golden path, along with people getting pissed at each other for small reasons. Keeping in mind this board is a community, we know each other a reasonable amount. I wouldn't say this board is obligated to be a eulogy to chems music since it is small and pretty closed off. Also, you can only talk about the chems so much. There are those dead periods where nothing is happening with the chemical brothers and that means this board has nothing to discuss. Either we can all disband until news or music comes out or fill the time with other logical discussions. I think this board is in one of it's best states right now because people are getting along, the discussions (from my experience) are miles more interesting that they have been. Plus, there are no promosexuals narking in trying to advertise bands. I think this board is kinda like the cliche pub where people can have logical conversations and jump in and out. I don't think the irrelavent stuff is out of conrtol. If there isn't a post here anyone likes, my suggestion is just to skip it, you don't have to read everyone.

Last, keep in mind it is called the banter section.

Well, the sig would be a turn off for any Bush supporters who happened on this site... Or like you said, it's a turn off to see a 200 font fuck staring right at your face. And some people might take offense to the swastika image. It doesn't bother me (and I'm Jewish, btw) but I can see where it would bug the crap out of some people.



I think it's pretty much a judgement call on chem'd up's part - I think it's a good thing to voice your opinion, god knows I do when something's nagging me and I want to draw some kind of line. Maybe other people feel the same way?



Or maybe he could change it to read BUCK FUSH instead. ;)

I just won't stop....



When I finished my little rant there were like 4 more posts... I am a slow typer!



Just to add on, a Civics instructor i had once brought up a good point with propaganda. There is the association method, where if you don't like someone you call them a nazi. simple and easy. No one can defend nazis! I do believe that bush and his team is something tilted on the conservative side (*cough "patriot act" which is being used to arrest people growing pot... not terrorist).



I say if you get into a political argument you do it at a higher level of thinking where, Person A gives reason for hating bush, while Person B gives a response back. Not just "I hate bush" followed by "Fuck you, I hope your first born lacks masculinity" One of the much older ideas around the time of Socrates believes that it is more intelligent to try to understand why someone might have a view by asking questions or trying to comprehend (hypothesis)... Just saying that's better than bitter rants at each other



and chem'd: nice simpsons quote, that's a great episode!

this one's for you chem'd up,



"BOOM, POW, Ka-BLAMO! Ooo, excuse me, must've been that BEAN i ate :D"



hahha i love that episode

A little clarification, I didn't mean that I thought we should ONLY talk about music.

Also, I think you took someone out of a concentration camp durring the war and put them into our society today and they saw that you were saying President Bush was a Nazi, they would spit on you for being so ungreatful and disgraceful.

OK, this is so weird. When I posted last, the 3 previous posts from before mine didn't show up... and it was taking forever for the site to load... weird... Anyway.



EBW, good point about the concentration camp victim and the Bush/nazi correlation. Even though the context in which the swastika is presented in the chem'd up flag doesn't bother me, it would bother say, my folks or my grandparents and anyone else who lived through that period when the swastika weighed a lot more than it does now... To a lot of people, that symbol has too many bad connotations. Personally I don't call people nazis or use the nazi swastika to resemble another political party because that would be personally out of context for me. I understand why chem'd up is using the symbol, and that is why I don't find it offensive. If for instance, someone's signature had a "long live the SS" and a swastika and a little mention of how Hitler didn't finish the job, that would be where I would draw the line and raise a stink because the whole sig is used to promote racism or genocide against a certain people. Chem's sig isn't doing that. I think it all depends on the context and given chem'd up's distaste for Bush's policies, but again, where should we all uninamously draw the line here? We aren't modded and that's great in more ways than not, but I don't want to scare anyone away or piss anyone off and I hope other wouldn't want to do that to fellow chemical brothers and sisters either.



I don't have time since just rented the 2nd disc of the 2nd season of "24" and I *have* to get that fix, but I'm sure I'll get more into it (re: the pro-war/anti-war dealie) another time.



'night all!

I personally am not bothered what people talk about on here. Some topics lose me completely, such as the conversations about synthesizers and DJ equipment, but thats because I'm not familiar with all that.

I think its ok to talk politics, some people may come on here really pissed off with the state of the world and just want to know about other people's opinions.

I don't come on here and talk all the time about how much I hate George W Bush, I only reply when the subject is brought up by someone else.



Of course its impossible to talk about the chemicals all the time, but at least when other things in the world are brought up we can talk constructively about them.



This place is really great at the moment, some cool people have signed up or returned, and there is always interesting stuff to read. Lets keep it going shall we!! 8) 8)

no. 1, i didn't design my sig, im good but i aint that good!



no.2 ill get bored of it soon so ebw, itll prob be gone soon enough.



no.3 i like the sig, not my fault if some are offended.

whirlygirl Escribi�:

I understand why chem'd up is using the symbol, and that is why I don't find it offensive.

Please explain why you think he's using the symbol.

ElectronicBattleWarrior Escribi�:

whirlygirl Escribi�:

I understand why chem'd up is using the symbol, and that is why I don't find it offensive.

Please explain why you think he's using the symbol.

Hmmm. Well first off, if you want to get technical, the swastika "arms" are bent in the wrong direction. The nazi interpretation of the swastika had it's arms bent clockwise, not counter-clockwise. But that's just a technicality there I thought I'd mention. But since the image is a swastika, and since it's original meaning has been perverted by the nazi regime, then I'm assuming chem'd up is using that symbol to illustrate that he thinks Bush is a nazi or prone to nazi-like tendnancies.



I do think the swastika and the term 'nazi' are thrown around too casually (not just here, but everwhere) but on the same token, the image chem'd up has in his sig illustrates his political opinion on President Bush quite clearly.



The flag being upside down is a military signal of distress, and though it is a more subtle form of protest, the swastika image, it's been enough to piss some people off (not necessarily here, nobody's mentioned that the flag is upside down) There is no decree in the laws pertaining to the American flag that hanging it upside down is illegal or disrespectful although this old distress signal, however subtle it is, illustrates in chem'd up's sig that under Bush's presidency, the United States is a nation in distress.



Just my take.