i have been watching a lot of news in the last 48 hours. i think this must be the worst attack on humanity i have ever seen. what kinda people do that to children ??? its a sad world sometimes
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Posted 04 September 2004 - 2:29 PM
These terrorists are seriously messed up in the head. There has always been that in history though, take the nazi regime for instance. The holocaust was humanity at it's worst I think.
I offer my condolences to anyone affected by the events in russia.
I offer my condolences to anyone affected by the events in russia.
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Posted 04 September 2004 - 5:49 PM
Thanks for starting this thread, I've been thinking about this a lot and it breaks my heart.
I've been watching the news a lot (thanks to all the conventions and the heated election coming up - talk about political burnout) and sadly, this Russian 'event' has not been given a lot of press in our US news outlets. I think those children and other hostages were held for at least 4 days. Only a small handful were released beforehand. When some of the children were released, a lot of them were naked and covered with blood. They were kept in the school gymnasium in the sweltering heat (which explains why some of the children didn't have their clothes on) and everyone was denied food, medicine and most importantly, water. Imagine what other physical and psychological tortures they must've endured, those kids' innocence is gone forever and it pisses me off!!!
What fucking cowards those rebels are, taking those children hostage. Kids have fuck all to do with their cause or anyone's cause. They are innocent! What happened is every parents' worst nightmare!!!
I've been watching the news a lot (thanks to all the conventions and the heated election coming up - talk about political burnout) and sadly, this Russian 'event' has not been given a lot of press in our US news outlets. I think those children and other hostages were held for at least 4 days. Only a small handful were released beforehand. When some of the children were released, a lot of them were naked and covered with blood. They were kept in the school gymnasium in the sweltering heat (which explains why some of the children didn't have their clothes on) and everyone was denied food, medicine and most importantly, water. Imagine what other physical and psychological tortures they must've endured, those kids' innocence is gone forever and it pisses me off!!!
What fucking cowards those rebels are, taking those children hostage. Kids have fuck all to do with their cause or anyone's cause. They are innocent! What happened is every parents' worst nightmare!!!
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Posted 04 September 2004 - 7:44 PM
it is a sad thing, and its even stupider to involve children too .. there inocent, leave them alone...
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Posted 04 September 2004 - 11:35 PM
The hostage situation just shows that the terrorists will do nothing to get their ends. They have a cause, like we all do, but choose to display their cause in violent acts such as this. Some causes are better than others, it is inherent, and no matter what, their cause for religious theocracy is indeed a bad one. What is even worse still, is that there will be some people who will sympathize with them, think they are/were right, and join them. Thats the greatest danger, not just to the Russians, but to us all. No matter what anyone does, or says, or tries to do, they will continue their fight because of their blind idealogies. It stems from their poverty, their beliefs, and their brainwashing. All those things are terribly hard to combat. The whole world should mourn the victims of this tragedy, I give my prays to them all.
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 3:00 AM
why is it when this happens by a group of rebels its called terrorism, but when a big country does it its ok.
if you dont know what im talking about, go look at the figures for the number of childrens schools and childrens hospitals bombed by the US in the first couple of days of their occupation of Iraq..
if you dont know what im talking about, go look at the figures for the number of childrens schools and childrens hospitals bombed by the US in the first couple of days of their occupation of Iraq..
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 5:41 AM
The scum were never going to let those hostages go, they were just waiting until something would trigger what happened. The bastards just wanted to make the govt look bad, no matter what. Fucked in the head and some of the militants were women FFS!
I have a very bad feeling that nukes will start to be used by these nutcases soon. :x :(
I have a very bad feeling that nukes will start to be used by these nutcases soon. :x :(
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 6:54 AM
cat Escribi�:
why is it when this happens by a group of rebels its called terrorism, but when a big country does it its ok.
if you dont know what im talking about, go look at the figures for the number of childrens schools and childrens hospitals bombed by the US in the first couple of days of their occupation of Iraq..
Large Weapon caches were stored in lots of civilian buildings so that the army would be less reluctant to bomb them. They found out other wise. I frankly dont care if a build that was once used as a school is bomb, and there are no civilians in side. If those weapons caches are wiped out, that means that there will be less fighting in civilian occupide areas (tranlating into lower civilian deaths).
If you're trying to compare the US army to a bunch of terrorist yes terroist with the intent to go into a school and bargain peoples' lives for their demands you're higly mistaken. I love how people jump on the political bandwagon. Maybe your just narrow minded or not educated but If you've ever learned ANY history you know that almost EVERY country has done the same thing (and with much more malecious intent as Iraq). Great Britian, France, Russia, Spain.
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 8:21 AM
cat Escribi�:
why is it when this happens by a group of rebels its called terrorism, but when a big country does it its ok.
if you dont know what im talking about, go look at the figures for the number of childrens schools and childrens hospitals bombed by the US in the first couple of days of their occupation of Iraq..
Actually cat, I do know what you're getting at.
I'm not eager to excuse what the US has done in regards to Iraq (I have my reasons and nobody would care to read my overly wordy and leftist diatribe) and I have been very critical and fairly open of the US' administrations actions in regards to foreign policy. And I voiced that on here many months ago. But also from judging the past on here, enough people have said they don't want to come on to a Chemical Brothers forum and read people bickering and playing political tit-for-tat. But maybe I'm wrong and times have changed. It has been a long time since there's been political talk on here.
Whether or not anyone thinks that the US is an international terrorist bully, that's their own prerogative - and I'm not about to hold that against anyone. Still, what the US does in Iraq and how it handles itself in the foreign community does not negate the fact that the Chechyan rebels who marched into a school and took innocent children hostage are fucking coward terrorists. Plain and simple.
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Posted 06 September 2004 - 10:55 PM
Looks like I'm late then. Awful tragedy. Do you think these tragedies occur more often now or are they just so much more covered in the media than before?
Terrorism is one word I would not like to hear anywhere anymore (the other one is regime). Everything gets named terrorism these days. It's like when two nations battle out, it's just the loser that will be prosecuted for crimes committed (crimes like killing soldiers from opponent's side). This seemed absurd on some old NHL videogame where only the loser in a fight got the penalty, and it was only a game.
uhh ... and this wasn't really political, was it?
Terrorism is one word I would not like to hear anywhere anymore (the other one is regime). Everything gets named terrorism these days. It's like when two nations battle out, it's just the loser that will be prosecuted for crimes committed (crimes like killing soldiers from opponent's side). This seemed absurd on some old NHL videogame where only the loser in a fight got the penalty, and it was only a game.
uhh ... and this wasn't really political, was it?
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Posted 06 September 2004 - 11:09 PM
That's why countries have to declare war - it's an official thing. If you're at war, it's not a crime for one military to kill another military. Even civilian casualties are tolerated as long as they are obvious "collateral damage". In other words, bombs aren't 100% accurate, only to like 10 metres, and that could be the difference between a military bunker and someone's house.
Terrorism is different. You don't get hostages in war, people aren't used as bargaining chips, and it's done out of the blue, with no warning. At least with war, it gets declared, and people can flee the area if they're worried. If terrorists turn up, you won't know about it till you or someone else is dead. That's the scary part.
Terrorism is different. You don't get hostages in war, people aren't used as bargaining chips, and it's done out of the blue, with no warning. At least with war, it gets declared, and people can flee the area if they're worried. If terrorists turn up, you won't know about it till you or someone else is dead. That's the scary part.