i know, lots of people like the plums - i think thats why i like having a sly dig at them ;)

mippio Escribi�:

i know, lots of people like the plums - i think thats why i like having a sly dig at them ;)

and for that mather: What is wrong with the Crystal Method. They are a close second after the Chems.

( i do like that openings tune for the bones tv show)

Joslyn Escribi�:

mippio Escribi�:

i know, lots of people like the plums - i think thats why i like having a sly dig at them ;)

and for that mather: What is wrong with the Crystal Method. They are a close second after the Chems.

( i do like that openings tune for the bones tv show)

ok - please remember that this is all IMO - and people can like what they like and thats cool - i just have strong opinions and a big gob ;)



to me, the plumps and crystal method are just very average run-of-the-mill breaks producers, stuck in a 1995 timewarp, devoid of ideas or excitement and lacking in any form of soul.



and before i get get flamed I KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE LIKE THEM AND THATS COOL - GOOD ON YA. HAVE A BISCUIT.



but its not for me.



:D

mippio Escribi�:

soundertow Escribi�:

mippio Escribi�:

i dont know why im bothering as a) you probably like the crystal method and b) the plump dj's are probably your favourite dj's, but theres no need for personal attacks on people.

Care to tell me what sort of profiling you can do of people who like The Crystal Method and Plump Dj's? You might be able to guide me in life.

they clearly have the musical taste of deaf badger.





;)

Ha, so there is my new year's promise: be less like a deaf badger.



I might not be able to keep it.

I really don't understand the discussion here. The chems are making music they like in the first place. Not what we think. They are their first critics. And that's an essential point in my eyes. They wouldn't have released it if they hadn't liked it. And to be honest i don't really see a mature or significant change in their music at all. The fingerprint is still chemical. Even the poppiest (which doesn't mean DIA is pop) song doesn't sound as pop in a common sense. I mean they're becomming older and getting more experience through time that influences their work actually. And why not?! Would you be still the same man as you have been ten years before, Alchemist? I assume not. And so the chems. They're still doing what they like and i think you can hear it. There's a certain fidelity in their music which makes them unique. I don't get the feeling they're doing things for being present in the media/press or to earn money by releasing things because of their financial benefit.

Well there a some tracks i don't like much too. It Doesn't Matter i.e. (except the "lyrics"), and no Glako, not because it's too technoid X-D . Just because it don't like it much. That's it, no more, no less. If it was released nowadays I still wouldn't like it. It is always a matter of taste and (at least for me) a matter of expectations. You know, you expect someone or something to be like and you're disappointed because he/she/it isn't like that. I noticed it myself when I was listening to CWU the first time. I said to myself, "oh, that was not I was hoping it's going to be. I would love it if it was a bit more DYOH and breakbeatish( I know Glako, bwah)" By this attitude i was not really able to discover the beauty or non-beauty of this album and each of the tracks. I didn't have the sufficient distance at that time. Oh man looking back to when I was listening to Got Glint? the first time. I was waiting for the breakbeat to come and had to realize that the concept of that songs was a very different one. But was it bad therefore? No it wasn't. And what have I learned from it? Take each track as a unique song and don't desperately try to press it in any category (Big Beat, techno, folk) or compare it in the smallest detail to former productions/albums or whatever. From that time on my personal view on things in general has become more open minded and not that limited as it was. So now I say: "I don't like it. Basta." Sometimes my opinion changes about it. And sometimes it doesn't. So what, that's life. I think that makes me a well balanced fan who is still able to criticize things he don't like for a certain reason. And I do criticize if I think it's necessary. And I don't give a shit whether my opinion is appreciated or not. But i'm always inclined to discuss things and maybe come to another conclusion than before. That's the base of a fair debate with pro's and con's. But blaming others to be blind or ideologic (my own interpretation here) because they say what they like has more a touch of a blindness in my eyes. Let's discuss. Let's have different opinions. Let's argue about things. That's what life should be. As Darkstar said. if we all liked the same, world wouldn't be that colorful and interesting as it is.

Full stopp.

He Mips,



If I remember correctly DJ Mad Ed from Amsterdam opened before the Chemical Brothers. And he is just the guy you discribed. We're gonna have great times in Amsterdam :D :D

soundertow Escribi�:

mippio Escribi�:

soundertow Escribi�:

mippio Escribi�:

i dont know why im bothering as a) you probably like the crystal method and b) the plump dj's are probably your favourite dj's, but theres no need for personal attacks on people.

Care to tell me what sort of profiling you can do of people who like The Crystal Method and Plump Dj's? You might be able to guide me in life.

they clearly have the musical taste of deaf badger.





;)

Ha, so there is my new year's promise: be less like a deaf badger.



I might not be able to keep it.

just get his friendly brother the coke badger to help instead ->

Joslyn Escribi�:

He Mips,



If I remember correctly DJ Mad Ed from Amsterdam opened before the Chemical Brothers. And he is just the guy you discribed. We're gonna have great times in Amsterdam :D :D

hahaha sweet bud, cant wait 8)



you coming to awakenings?

No I'll be doing Daft Punk the 4th

Joslyn Escribi�:

No I'll be doing Daft Punk the 4th

really? thomas or guy manuel?



;)

Csar Escribi�:

Let's discuss. Let's have different opinions. Let's argue about things. That's what life should be. As Darkstar said. if we all liked the same, world wouldn't be that colorful and interesting as it is.

Full stopp.

amen to that mr csar.

mippio Escribi�:

Joslyn Escribi�:

No I'll be doing Daft Punk the 4th

really? thomas or guy manuel?



;)

In Robot suits both at the same but if they are Human after all.......

mippio Escribi�:

ACIDCHILDREN Escribi�:

Plumps rock hard, there dj sets are allways quality live and there studio mix's and albums are great, they have a new ablum out in June.

am i bovvered? no really am i bovvered?



;)

Lol I like that!

mippio Escribi�:

Oh man, I was in that tent.



And crystal method were great.... for 5 minutes... after Vegas came out.

whirlygirl Escribi�:

soundertow Escribi�:

Darkstarexodus Escribi�:

I don't see what's wrong with contextualizing a song.

Yeah, you are right. Looking back I think I got the (false?) impression that this thread had partially become a support group for people who are pissed of the track... "there there, it's not that bad, maybe it's following the trends set up by other producers instead of leading but it's still the chemical way of doing so! it's a pop world so you gotta do pop cause pop is pop" ... and I don't think support is dumb but I find some of the arguments so silly I just had to response. Nothing wrong with contextualizing songs - it's just so easy to fall into some strange sort of fan culture which thrives on secondary details and in my opinion just makes you miserable in the end.

Err. If this was a condescending dig at me (which I feel it was given your response to my long assessment of the track - maybe I am wrong) then I think you either misunderstod the gist of what I was trying to say or something was lost in translation. Or maybe I am being overly sensitive today.

Well uhh, you might have said something that provoked me to write the text but if I didn't quote you I wasn't making any digs specifically at you. I kinda sorta try to focus on the content. But hey, I can make a dig to this reply!

I was using the ideas expressed in the thread as a spring board for my reply, given that I was 30 pages late into the discussion to begin with and had a few listens under my belt. But my references to pop and my perception of the lyrics still stand. As Darkstar and others pointed out in varying degrees, pop doesn't have to automatically mean it's bad. Radio friendly doesn't mean it's sh*t although there have been disappointing responses to Do It Again that imply certain people were either a.) expecting something mindblowingly epic like The Reel or b.) wishing the Chems would go underground and not make a song that might get radio play. Same old discussion, just a different day and a new tune to bring it out. :P

Yes maybe you can make that sort of implication on some of the responses but I think the "pop" argument isn't "I don't like this track because it's pop." but rather "I don't like this track. Additionally it reminds me of certain pop songs so I say that it sounds like them."

The fact that someone (including myself) would refer to this song as damn good pop song and being ahead of their game and everyone elses and get the kind of negative reaction is reflective of bias or prejudice IMO.

What are you saying here?

Or else it wouldn't have issued such terse rebuttals. Or maybe I am missing something, or something is lost in translation. I never said the Chems were a pop act, or they were making music to be trendy - isn't trendy really just a part of being in the right place at the right time? I've been a fan long enough to know the Chemical Brothers make music that pleases them. What we hear is their souls, to some degree. I can hear this when I listen to their music - radio friendly, MTV and Grammy awards be damned. They do what they want to do, and where their music fits in is happenstance.

Anyway - either someone likes the song or they don't, but yay/nay responses are boring and dull and so are inane one liners pissing on the tune and all the blasting that Chems have gone commercial. It is far more interesting and less miserable to discuss what makes a song a good song, or what makes it bad or what you get or don't get out of it, or how it fits into the landscape or culture. Tying in commercial appeal or the radio friendliness of the tune is only the tip of the iceberg to more interesting discussion. Contextualizing is where the discussion's at once everyone's found their footing.

There will always be inane one-liners and the usual proceedings are good discussion -> ignitious one-liner -> a page long rebuttal -> controversy -> more one-liners. Maybe we could break this cycle by focusing on our own reactions towards the track instead of trying to control the discussion of others?

Joslyn Escribi�:

mippio Escribi�:

Joslyn Escribi�:

No I'll be doing Daft Punk the 4th

really? thomas or guy manuel?



;)

In Robot suits both at the same but if they are Human after all.......

HAHA! :D touche jos, touche



im sure itll be a discovery for you, but if you do your homework im sure youll be able to stop any burnin :- who knows, if it goes well theyll let you do it face to face - harder better faster stronger, one more time.



;)

toomuch'stash Escribi�:

And crystal method were great.... for 5 minutes... after Vegas came out.

they really werent, stash. seriously.



whatever came out, i wish it would go back in.

Crystal Method were decent in a ... wait for it.... wait a little more... a, dare I say it, poppy, mainstream sort of way... There, I said it. heh.



Anyways, opinions are like assholes: everyone's got them. they're full of shit, and you should show them off to everyone you know as often as possible. ;-)



At any rate, I've only heard 'Do It Again' twice, maybe three times. I don't want to wear it out until after I've got CD quality sound. I'll listen to it more before its official release (if anyone could send the 7-minute version to darkstarexodus@gmail.com that would be great), but I'm not going to analyze every squiggle and shuffle until then. And possibly not even then since I'll be busting dance moves in my basement. Or something like that.

dude, the song Trip Like I Do, the one that has vocals by Filter, is Awesome.

Okay. I have a LOT to reply to.



First of all i will reply to Alchemist.



You know what , youre name reminds me of a book written by Paulo Coelho.The Alchemist. Unlike you , the book was about a person full of wisdom.



I am not somebody who will get into personal discussions over the internet. But i do feel the need to reply to youre very negative post.



What the hell is you're problem man.



Alchemist :

So I guess now I am the only person to blame for negative comments about this track. I must say I'm fairly disappointed by the majority of forumers because you seem to have lost the will to criticise and have turned into (everything is great) 'blind' fans.

Nobody EVER blamed you for negative comments. We blamed you for calling people with a different opinion " Easy to satisfy " . If u actually would have taken the time to READ my , and other members , posts , u would know what you are saying is complete bollox.



I quote myself :

Nothing wrong with being dissapointed by a track. U can't always like anything. What i think is a bit is unfair is because there are people with different opinions than you , and you call them "easily satisfied" or "spent to much time on this forum"



Have you ever thought of the fact that people DO have different tastes and opinions ?! That YOU think the song is bad doesnt mean everybody else that does like the song are easily satisfied. I'm sure u didnt mean it as bad as u said it , but i would still like to point out that YOU call "the lovers" easily satisfied , while you might be the one that has to be a BIT more open-minded. Not in terms of liking the song , cause hey , why do some people love peanut butter and some don't ?! But in terms of accepting and respecting other peoples visions and opinions. No harm done! Peace and love.

Read this , and speak again.



What i also find VERY intresting , is how you can say WE cannot critisize you , but ARE the one calling the "lovers" " Blind". You are SO contradicting yourself. This forum is a place full off open-minded people , and if u actually would read all the posts , NOBODY is blaming you for youre opinion of the song , but for youre lack in accepting others peoples opinions.



You REALLY need to sort some things out. One of them is what meaning you give to the word OPINION. You go on about how bad the song is and how people who think its good are "blind" , but when the people who like the song say they disagree you cry like a baby. Set youre priorities , than come and talk. I am really not flaming you here , but i do feel the need to speak my mind.



Alchemist

Whirlygirl - I have always respected your comments as you are one of the most mature people on this forum and you have been here the longest I guess. I didn't like that you pointed to my comments as being unreasonable. And this leads me to one issue about you - I have never seen you criticise even slightly, anything that relates to Chems music. Now I know that this is probably a part of your personality to put a positive spin on everything, but that doesn't mean that your comments should be the true and only ways of looking at things

I dont wanna dweep about how great i think Whirly is , because everybody here on this board knows that if i would be a lesbian i would wanna marry her. But Whirly is not just a respected member because she's been here the longest. She's respected because she gives everybody 5 million chances , and because she will NEVER get all personal like you do. Why would she wanna critise something she doesnt feel the need to critisize cause she loves it ?! And how can you say you dont like her comments on you ?! Here are you , the wise Alchemist , going on about how blind we are , and yet YOU cannot handle some criticism yourself.



Ah , and now the part that made me giggle. Thank you Mips and Jos for defending me.'



Alchemist

I guess Jeanie falls in the same category, but to me she always seems like an euphoric, overexcited raver after poping five E's at 3 am. So even if Tom and Ed released a track where they randomly hit a rubish bin with a stick - she would find it mindblowing. God bless your optimism Jeanie.

Yes i am euphoric , and overexcited and for sure i have a big optimism. And people love me for it , and i love myself for it. U wanna know why ?! Because its fun being euphoric and optimistic. I think those two words are something you might need.



I quote myself

I dont know if i am easily satisfied. If i like a track , i like it , no mather who made it or what style it is. If i think its good , i thinks its good! But there is also a lot of music that i can't stand. I think music so be enjoyed , and should not be something that has to "satisfy"you , if u get my drift. Music just happends to be the most important thing in my life but if the Chems make a track i dont like , hey , who cares. I love them for the things they gave me , for the music they made so far and for everything that comes with it. I love their music SO much that it bexame a big part of my life. If i would totally hate Do It Again ( But i don't ) i would still think "Well , if it made Tom and Ed happy , and if it makes other people happy , i can't be that bad"



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As i said before i am NOT somebody who WILL like a track just because its made by Tom and Ed. I love their music , but i'm not a hysterical fangirl. I'm not a big fan of Got Glint and Lost in the K-Hole , but i love them as much as i would if i wouldve liked those tracks.



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I will be really honest and say i wasn't really digging the track at ALL at first listen

I dont think i need to defend myself much more.

But i do think its funny you think i am somebody who drops 5 E's at 3 am to get the mindstate that i have. This says more about you than about me. Clearly you have no idea that people can actually be hyper and overexcited from themselves.



One other thing that pops in my mind. I remember a certain conversation i had with Ed chemical last NYE. We were not only talking about the tunes we loved , but also about the tunes we liked less. I even told him i'm not a big fan of lost in the K-hole.



I could rave on and on , but my main concern with you is you not understanding the word OPINION. I always respect EVERYBODY's opinion , but i dont respect people who are close minded and are not open for other peoples vieuws , and than those same peole call us "Blind"



No harm done , i dont want to get personal , but calling me a "overexcited raver after poping five E's at 3 am" is not-done dude.

No need to get all negative. God , am i glad i AM optimistic and euphoric , because it would suck to be so damn negative.





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Csar , good post.