Whoa, there are even arguments on the internet ? Amazing what we can find !

TBH I don't think I've ever seen an argument on this board that wasn't started by me, so well done guys!

iguanapunk, on 24 June 2013 - 2:41 AM, said:

lol. Nice.

lol in this thread the hostility toward chemicalreaction is just absurd. Despite having replied with a dissenting view, I actually agree generally with his assessment but I simply enjoy the crap out of the main hook and beat in Nothing but Pleasure. Nevertheless, I believe indeed that this is an unfinished or, I might prefer to say, unrefined track, and that this lack of refinement and attenuation of the continuous force and repetitiveness contributes directly to the formation of the piece's context. It's made for a specific environment, it's made to be used, and it's made to evoke a visceral and emotional response. I think that it is thus successful, even as it might not represent to most an engaging listen as a progressive, and amply, variously textured track in one's home.

I vaguely recall a interview in which Tom discusses Popof and comments that this inane music just comes to life inexplicably at four in the morning. I feel that it is this sentiment that he aims to capture in his production: tracks that just fall into place in your mind in the middle of a sick set in the middle — or perhaps toward the end — of a long night of fun.


Also. This.

iguanapunk, on 24 June 2013 - 4:41 AM, said:

GLAKO-FAHN, on 25 June 2013 - 6:07 PM, said:

Very nicely put, Glako. You have a way with words here that eloquently drive some good points home regarding Nothing But Pleasure. Good recall on the 4am effect. It's been years (literallly) since I have set foot in a club, but those kinds of moments are affixed in the old memory banks. It makes perfect sense the more I think about it.

Wow, I've missed alot. Ha ha.Umm. I've read most of the posts and got an idea here on whats going on and understand where everyone is coming from but there are some music under the chemical brothers name that is more stripped back/simple than Tom's recent EP, so to say that its unfinished kind of confuses me a bit. Unless the prediction of that these tracks could take different shape into chemical brothers productions but maybe doubtful since its been released. thats not to say they could take different form in there live shows maybe? who knows, I wouldnt get too hung up on it.

*Having said that, when I say "more stripped back/simple" I don't mean of lesser quality or value.

Given that Chemical brothers have released stripped down songs. Minimal even. Like Nude Night, EBW 7,EBW 5 but Nothing but pleasure is too stripped down to the point its almost nude. Like you can literally see its boobs and ass. This song needs more clothes so to speak. More layers to make it well rounded and complete. I spoke about it dissentingly because I want quality control. Too many of you guys here are pussified to the point you'll blindly accept whatever chemical fate is your coming your way. Over the years you've all become senile and erectile dysfunctional. Will celebrate every song with full support, well not me. Not this guy. If Tom goes too far off into a tangent I'll be the one fan to bring him back to reality. Tom needs to be humbled cuz he's flying high after the success of Hanna. Seems like Tom's copilot, Ed is too busy stuffing jerk chickens in his face rather than stopping Tom from making bad tracks. The reason why Chemical brothers got where they are now is not because they made some amazing club songs but songs which you play in your bedroom with headphones on and with a overdose of some prescription/street drug. I want old Chemicals back. Whirlygirl talked about Come With Us being not raw enough, but that album for me is the best one out there. That whole era of Afrikakakaka and hoops and such was simply amazing. I want those chemicals back. Those chemicals were good, these chemicals are bad. If Tom wants to make more of that 4 am exhaustive tracks then he should make an entire album full of it and call it, "4 am Club Dj fx tool With us". What happened to real musical tracks that take you on a journey? What happened to the epicness? The Collaborations? So far we have not heard anything about Chemicals working with other artists....that's why Chems are becoming stagnant and repetitive it seems like. They need more creative ideas. Personally I'd love to see someone like Adele work with Chems. Can you imagine the awesomenes? No you can't, cuz you've been fed bullshit tracks.Tom and Ed need to be like Madonna and re-invent themselves right about now or else the future is looking shady. This is how I see Tom and Ed working in the studio :
Tom working by himself while Ed smoking a cig and wondering why he's not part of the team anymore...

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Quick question, have you ever listened to Further? This statement leads me to believe you haven't... 'Epic' was its foundation.
I don't even like their XTC remix that much, which you apparently like, and I'm not as depressed as you with their musical potential future..

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You're trying a little too hard to make a case here...

You're going a bit too far with this ed-not-being-in-the-team-anymore thing. Give them a break, let them breath. Producing a new album is a tough one. Let them work on that 8th album and I'm pretty sure they are going to blow your mind again

I do love come with us too. Probably my favorite album from the chems. But they are still on top in my opinion. Just look at further, pretty brillant stuff. Not to mention their shows at the roundhouse which were mental.

Csar, on 27 June 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:

Excuse me? I have listened to Further. That's a complete album. No collaborations, simply coming together of amazing Tom and Ed ideas. Somehow that epicness is now lost. Long gone. Welcome to the new chemical brother sound of minimal repetitive techy house.
I think the reason why I liked xtc remix was because half the credit goes to boyz noise for coming up with that baseline that just kills. New chemicals are all about "fill in the blanks yourselves", like they laid the foundation, built couple of stories but they want us to paint the picture and do the rest. That's a sign of laziness.

chemicalreaction, on 27 June 2013 - 11:01 PM, said:

I don't know why it sounds so strange to me that you are willing to judge them on 3 releases of which 2 of em were Tom only productions. Why exactly are you so pessimistic about their potential future music releases? We haven't gotten any real new chemical material except for XTC and some snippets of their dj sets. If they had relased some battle weapons that displeased you, I would have accepted your dissapointment as a statement of diverging tastes in music. But given the few things we were given the opportunity to listen to, it seems a little far-fetched. Come on, I wasn't even that hopeless when they first introduced Acid Children years ago, which really sounded stripped down and flat (which somehow grew on me later on). Did it mark a prominent style of their then forth coming new album? No. So why judging something that you/we haven't any clue about what it possibly will be?! I don't get it.

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Sorry, but you seem to have a form that I haven't received yet.

This is you Csar in a nutshell.

Its not hard to have a clue about the future chemical brothers sound if you've been following them for some time. Superflash, Through me, Nothing but pleasure, Velodrome, xtc remix...they all point to one sound and one sound only...mediocrity. its not that I have an pessimistic view its just that you have an overly optimistic view on things. So far only Glako-fahn has shown the maturity and is able to understand the complexity (or lack of complexity) so far.

You're right madpooter. I shouldn't reply to Csar like that.

chemicalreaction, on 28 June 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

Euh? As you might have not missed, I wrote that I critically received some of their recent audio offerings, too (and did so in the past when I wasn't in agreement with a track of theirs), and thus haven't shown any sign of pure chemical lemmingism.

Velodrome was created for just one purpose and can't be considered an album quality track, and that is in fact the only genuine song we got so far under their trademark. XTC is just a remix and the other ones are Tom's single work. How can you possibly derive any foresight on their future work from just one (maybe two) tracks? This is my point of contention, and not that you don't like some chemical stuff and I'm just a pink flower who bullshits you because of some kind of yoko-ono-i-follow-where-ever-you-are-nerdism.

From my point of view, you rant 'n rave for a mediocre reason.

Addendum:
And I bet, Tom already incorporated his sneeze in at least one song!

So far all I've read are excuses for the lack of quality. You are trying to see the glass half full where the whole glass is empty to begin with. It doesn't matter under which alias the tracks are being released, they are all coming from the same place and from the same guys.

The way I see it, Tom and Ed have an evolving process of how to come up with the next best new sound that no one has ever heard before. And this must be getting harder and harder as electronic music as a whole has now become main stream.

So their process involves experimenting and expanding their sounds. They do this while they DJ. Along the way Tom came up with a couple of tracks that people loved in the clubs, but he obviously didn't feel were right to be included as Chems tracks. Tom is no fool, he knows what he is doing.

I have total faith in Tom and Ed, just be patient and I doubt their next album will disappoint. The suspense is killing me though.

chemicalreaction, on 28 June 2013 - 12:55 AM, said:

Not quite. Maybe its lost in translation with me being a non native speaker, but what I tried to convey is that I don't see this very 'glass' yet, whatever it may contain.

Csar, on 28 June 2013 - 1:32 AM, said:

This sounds like another excuse for having not come up with a legitimate reason to back Tom and Ed up, "non native speaker". If its any consolation I'm a non native speaker as well. But don't worry about your English, Sir Csar. Its on point. Its beautiful the way you construct sentences and the words you use. Its refreshing and far better than some of the native speakers here, like even better than the gay activist madpooter. The unfortunate part about this whole thing is, even if words fail music is a universal language. But the music discussed here is bad. It's getting worse. I can hear it, perhaps you are unwilling to come to terms with the current state of chemical music, I'm not. I'm a realist. Doesn't matter what the reason is for current chemical brothers music, remix, Olympics, Tom-only tracks, they are all coming from the same studio that brought you awesomeness earlier. That place seems empty and desolated now. Ed has deserted Tom now and he is left alone to his own devices so the quality is going down.

C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKERRRRRR!