BoywiththeGoldenEyes, on 21 June 2011 - 6:30 PM, said:

Ed is turning 61 in 20 years (Tom's going to be 60) - do you think they'll become the Rollings Stones of electronic music? Or was it just to say that you will try Pills when you're turning 50?

oh no, NOT AGAIN!!!

pills, yes. whether they will help or not.

its really up to you.

My 1st chems gig at the bowl i was on e (which help me endure YACHT and Chromeo), and sober for my 2nd at coachella. Both were equally amazing!
being able to see them again at coachella while being sober gave me that "reliving the moment, flashback " feeling and really made me feel like i was on drugs once they started playing. Its great.
So like i said, its just up to you. I don't need it, but would take it if i have my hands on it.

A plus about taking ecstasy that i can think of, that enhances the show and beats being sober, was during the transition from Another World into Dissolve right when that last loud 'distorted scream' played i swear i felt a nice breeze of cool air (and knowing i was freezing my ass off earlier before the sun went down). it was great!

One thing I've noticed about reportage of ecstasy deaths is that the poor unfortunate is always young, say 16/17, often female and we're told it was their first time to take it.Whenever I've read about an ecstasy death its never like, a 30 year old bloke.

Don't they die because they drink extreme amounts of water?

when i saw them for the first time back in 2007 i only was on beer and some weed. nice to smoke during a huge clown told me: just get yourself high. the other times i was sober.

xtc AND chems would be too much for me.

You guys really find drugs that easily ? Poor world.

The bloke off the internet, on 22 June 2011 - 3:44 AM, said:

hey! don't you dare to judge all of us at the same time!

I thought if anyone in the (western) world wanted drugs badly enough they could get them.

In fact I'm not totally against drugs (I never tested any cause I don't know where to find some), it's just that I don't understand people who want to be high to go to a concert, as if it were the normal way to appreciate it. A concert is an experience you pay for and intend to keep memories of ! I wouldn't have bought my 45 € ticket 6 months in advance to finally keep no memory of the gig.

Listening to music while being high, maybe but not during a concert.

My experience with drugs had been sooo bad (i mean horribly bad): i remember the day I took E as one of the worst days of my life. This, and having seen the uglier and more enslaving side of drugs in my family, put me automatically on the "against" side of the discussion.

But If i´m completely honest I feel a bit of jealousy when i see people enjoying drugs and stuff, i suppose it´s a bit frustrating as an electronica fan. I feel a mixture of envy, rejection and fear.

Bloke, would you understand someone wanting to take an e at a gig or festival if it agreed with them and on fact heightened what was already a great experience?And say that someone could recall memories of the show.And that.because of circumstances or responsibilities they didn't get the chance to go to events like this as much as they used to.A kind of wish to make the most of an infrequent opportunity if you like.

@Buffet, not just the western world, drugs are everywhere.

And Bloke, most of the people you see at concerts that are stumbling around in a substance induced haze are usually drunk on alcohol or have taken some other substance that I have no idea about. And while I have tried pure E I wouldn't take that at a concert, save that for an all night party. The average E I get does not stop me from remembering every moment, I can talk to people and they wouldn't guess I was high, well maybe not, it just gives me an energy boost and enhances the experience, the lights are brighter, the music better and makes me want to dance like crazy. Not that I wouldn't anyway.

A Chems show is so good that no enhancements are needed anyway.

I was going to add a YouTube clip, but what's the point with that fucking noise!

Its ok Le Bloke, drug free is the way to be.

Please don't get me wrong, I am not condoning the use of drugs, or saying anyone should try them, just trying to stop the misconceptions on what E does. Drug free is definitely the way!

Krisper, on 23 June 2011 - 12:29 AM, said:

I know about that, and I hate that. Seeing them totally fucked up, like they don't recognize the song that is playing or even forgot the name of the band they were supposed to see totally refrains me from taking spùething. I wouldn't even get drunk at a concert !

BUFFETT, on 21 June 2011 - 3:01 PM, said:

It's an interesting observation about the reports of young females related to ecstasy deaths... you have to wonder what those numbers actually are compared with what the papers are telling us. Deaths related to ecstasy aren't gender specific nor are they typically due to the toxicity of the drug but rather, factors that come into play - like Jeanie pointed out such as drinking excessive amounts of water, heat stroke and heart failure. There's also a chance that as ecstasy cut with other drugs or when you think you've got e but it's a rogue pill... Recreational drug use (including drinking) serves a few purposes including escape, heightening the senses and numb pain whether it be mental or physical. So a drug like ecstasy, when the senses are heightened and you're having a good time and dancing your ass off - it's easy to over do it and not know your body is tired and thirsty and your heart is racing like mad. And then you have cases like you read about in the paper with the girl who died while on e for the first time because she danced herself into an h2o deprived stupor and died of a heart attack on the dance floor. I'm sure this mess I just wrote is pretty much common knowledge to you and everyone here, or at least known on a surface level, but I thought I'd put it out there anyway, lol!

GuerraRelampago, on 22 June 2011 - 6:03 AM, said:

Not much to say other than this post, especially the bit about family, reached out and touched my heart. (((hugs)))

Krisper, on 22 June 2011 - 5:30 PM, said:

I know exactly what you mean. For what it's worth I don't see you or anyone here condoning the use of drugs. Given this is such a hot button topic that can easily conjure up knee jerk responses on both sides of the issue, I think people so far have been civil in sharing their experiences with and without drugs. Which was the base intent of the original post.

The bloke off the internet, on 22 June 2011 - 6:31 PM, said:

I'm not so much bothered by people nodding off all e-tarded - I prefer that to being hassled or pushed around by someone who is drunk and belligerent. I think you're bringing preference to the table (not a bad thing) and I agree with you to some extent. Seeing people that are so loaded they wouldn't know their first name if you asked them, can aggravate what should be a positive concert experience. It can even feel a bit alienating... I really felt this way over in a certain section of Coachella this past year. I hardly spent any time at all near the tents that played electronic music. Those areas were a bit more constricted, less room to move around, and it was really really druggy. Not unfriendly. But really, really druggy. That's fine, and I'm not saying I'm above that. I've been there and done that before. But I just felt... I don't know. Not angry, irritated or let down or anything of the sort. I just felt like I was *done* with that scene and had no business being a part of it at that time (plus I had my son with me, and he was quick to notice eeeeeeeeeeverything and that people were a bit zombified). So we just moved and let the people have their sweaty little love huddles.

That said, I still stand by my original statement that there's no one right way to enjoy the Chems! Some people like to take drugs when they are at a show and some people get off without drugs. The Chems music is made to be enjoyed by lots of people so I feel there should be room for everyone to enjoy how they like.

Just to say, as per my original post at the start of this, I was asking how peoples experiences of seeing. the Chems on drugs v sober had COMPARED, that's all.It wasn't designed to say you should or shouldn't or that it was right or wrong.That wasn't the debate.
But a good discussion with good points being made from all sides.However you choose to see Tom and Ed the main thing is to enjoy and be safe.
Thanks everybody.

BUFFETT, on 23 June 2011 - 9:38 AM, said:

amen.