whirlygirl Escribi�:

Thesouphead Escribi�:

After going out and taking E at many a rave, you become very aware that a great deal of electronic music is made specifically with E in mind. You just know. The drugs help the music to evolve.

Agreed. Without trying to sound like I'm encouraging people to get loaded, these particular music experiences that involved getting high opened up that door where you hear things differently, realizing that perhaps some things are meant to be a heard a certain way. And that's why, whether you see it as a positive or negative, electronic music is often tied with ecstasy use. "Knowing" is something more than just hearing, it's something you feel. But I believe that explaining this can be difficult because that knowingness is something that must first be heard to be believed. After that, the song doesn't remain the same. I hope you know what I'm saying, I haven't had all my caffeine this morning so my brains still mush!

Thesouphead Escribi�:

What does Spiritualized say?.....something like, "we make music to listen to while on drugs so we can make more music." something like that. Whily probably knows what I am talking about.

Ah yes, "Taking drugs to make music to take drugs to."

exactly....if you have not had the experience then you really can't understand....at least not 100%







yes...that was the quote I was thinking of. I think many bands create music with that thought in mind.

whirlygirl Escribi�:

but when it comes to drug talk, I don't like to put words into their mouths because it's such a touchy subject...

I know what you are saying. It is a touchy subject.....but why is it touchy? My guess is that it is becauce of the legal side of things. Most places/countries/societies have outlawed drugs and people usually just don't want to be associated with something that is outlawed.



With most musicians within the dance scene, it is sort of an often unspoken-known. The music does go hand in hand with the drugs or intoxication(alcohol is a drug...it's just legal). No, it doesn't mean you have to do drugs or have done drugs to love it. Look at James Zabiela. He is becoming one of the biggest names in EDM at a yound age and he has never touched drugs and from what I know has pretty much stayed away from alcohol altogether. I personally couldn't imagine how creative this kid would be if he knew how those basslines sounded on a good pill. haha

Yes....music and drugs go hand in hand. It even goes back way before there was such a thing as recorded music. Half naked tribesmen all tripping their balls off beating on hand made drums while dancing around a firepit. The drugs and music combo go waaaaaay back.

robot.mx Escribi�:

i dont fucking care if they take or not drugs the music excellent and that is what it matters, however i dont need drugs to feel the music.

Very true. You don't need the drugs to enjoy good music...esp the Chemcs. I don't disagree at all.



......but the drugs can make it so much better. And if it isn't even "better", the drugs can make it listening to music a whole new experience. That is all I am getting at. Drugs can often increase certain senses(hearing/feeling the basslines). Kind of like a microscope for the brain to use/examine the tunes.







See....you don't need a microscope to enjoy the beauty of a snowflake, but if you do use a microscope to view a snowflake, you will see the beauty of the small crystals that the snowflake is made of.



i guess my whole point is that taking drugs while listening to music shouldn't be so damn taboo. that's all..... :D

Thesouphead Escribi�:

ACIDCHILDREN Escribi�:

io dnt have a problem but i just dnt think you need pills for chemical music.

true....but you do NEED chemical music for pills. :D

what a nice quote.

Drink Guiness :D

Jeanie Escribi�:

i think tom has :o but i'm not sure. We don't really know a lot about our hero's !!! lets find some information ;)

IT"S STALKIN' TIME!



I think the reason they don't talk about doing drugs is they learned their lesson from Fatboy, and don't want to get their asses sued when some idiot overdoses on drain cleaner.

What now?

^



Fatboy Slim is a self proclaimed hedonist and was very public about that fact. He made no bones about it. I don't know about nowadays, but he was pretty crazy, spending many wild nights out, especially before he had his son.



So anyhow. A few years ago, a girl from the UK - I think she was about 19 - died from "ecstasy." I put ecstasy in quotes because what she got was a rogue pill, meaning, it wasn't mdma but likely a composite such as dxm that caused her to dehydrate, overheat and eventually die. There may have been other complications - she might have been on medication for an illness... I can't remember. Anyway, I also can't remember if this all went down at a rave, club, house party or whatever, but naturally her parents were very upset, and they placed the blame on electronic music and personally filed suit against Fatboy for encouraging drug use. They "claimed" they didn't want money from the suit, they did it on principal and tried to make an example out of Fatboy. A pretty fucked up case if you ask me. Like Fatboy held a gun to her head and shoved a bunch of pills down her throat! }:-@

Thesouphead Escribi�:

robot.mx Escribi�:

i dont fucking care if they take or not drugs the music excellent and that is what it matters, however i dont need drugs to feel the music.

Very true. You don't need the drugs to enjoy good music...esp the Chemcs. I don't disagree at all.



......but the drugs can make it so much better. And if it isn't even "better", the drugs can make it listening to music a whole new experience. That is all I am getting at. Drugs can often increase certain senses(hearing/feeling the basslines). Kind of like a microscope for the brain to use/examine the tunes.







See....you don't need a microscope to enjoy the beauty of a snowflake, but if you do use a microscope to view a snowflake, you will see the beauty of the small crystals that the snowflake is made of.



i guess my whole point is that taking drugs while listening to music shouldn't be so damn taboo. that's all..... :D

I wish drugs weren't as taboo as they are. I think if they weren't so taboo, there wouldn't be so many stigmas and negativity surrounding them. But that's another case for another time I guess. I do enjoy talking about them, relaying experiences and such, but I feel in a public forum such as this (especially with young impressionable eyes watching) it might be wise for me personally to watch what I say.



Anyway, as always thesouphead, agreed - a pleasure to read what you write especially since I can totally relate to what you are saying.

It would be better if we satyed on topic. ;)



The problem with drugs is that people take them for many reasons, and some of them aren't good reasons and that's why some groups don't want to be identified as a "drug promoter group".



Call it stupid or whatever you want, imagine you have a kid, would you let him go to an orchestra concert or to a "drug" group concert?

Yet some people in that orchestra might be into drugs. ;)

If anyone is interested, I've got a scan an interview from a french magazine, back from sept' 2003 (Singles Era) where they talk only about drugs. the interwiever ask them about every single drug, from obvious legal ones to more exotic ones.



It seems they've tried a lot of things, but they are a lot wiser now. Tom seems a bit more of a chemical head than Ed, who's had bad experiences with weed and acid.



If I have the time, I'll translate and type the interview, it is quite short, but full of useful "stalker" information (inclunding one great description of Tom's K experience...^^)

that would be nice , Trypta i'd love to readthat !

Liah Betts i think is the girl ur one about whirly. This is a touchy subject however i still feel with dance music you do not need drugs as it is allready good enough. Chems songs maybe about drugs but doesnt mean the intention was to take drugs with them. It would be harder to make musi on drugs than not.

TryptaJunk Escribi�:

If anyone is interested, I've got a scan an interview from a french magazine

Yep, I'm quite interested by the scan (since I'm french). Thanks by advance. ;)

Skylined Escribi�:

It would be better if we satyed on topic. ;)



The problem with drugs is that people take them for many reasons, and some of them aren't good reasons and that's why some groups don't want to be identified as a "drug promoter group".



Call it stupid or whatever you want, imagine you have a kid, would you let him go to an orchestra concert or to a "drug" group concert?

Yet some people in that orchestra might be into drugs. ;)

I agree with the first part of your post, Skylined.



Also agree to a certain extent with what you have to say in the second paragraph. I am a mother, and there's a reason why I don't take my 6 year old son to a concert. Besides him basically turning into a pumpkin by 8:30pm, he doesn't need to see that many people under the influence - he's too young, and he wouldn't understand. Not a suitable environment for a child. As much as I would love to take him to a Chemical Brothers concert (he's the youngest fan I know) he's far too young and he'd probably get trampled underfoot, that is my main worry. As far as him wanting to go to a show when he's older (I saw my first concert at 13) I say it depends on the child and his maturity level.

Okay, so for those who can read french:



http://forum.spontex...load.php?id=119

Thanks a lot Trypta.

Merde!! Merde merde merde! My French is so rusty. I could only spot the easy words! Also, the scanned image went all small on me once it loaded, and now it's barely legible. I wanted to copy and paste it and put it into a translator, but I was unable to do that. I can't highlight the article.



Damn...

Ahahaha, my god, this interview is simply fantastic ! X-D Thanks again TryptaJunk. My english isn't good enough so that I can translate the whole thing into english for you.. anyway I hope someone will. :)

I will.



(and this is how I saved the day...) 8)