I will never forget that day. It was the most surreal thing I've ever seen - my mom called me in a panic saying I needed to turn on the news, my dad had called her from Chicago saying his flight was grounded and that "planes were flying into the twin towers". I didn't know what the hell she was talking about, being half asleep, so I turned on the tv and watched it unfold. My son was a toddler, sitting with us playing with his little wooden train set while stash and I sat completely dumbfounded and speechless. I left for work with the images of those towers falling in my head. It was horrible and heartbreaking and sicknening, I felt my stomach in my throat and everything was in some horrible dream like funk.



I'll never forget seeing those towers fall, each floor simultanouesly pancaking one on top of the other.



But once that shock subsided to where I could think, something didn't sit right with me and hasn't sit right with me ever since...

The only thing that amazes me is how easily people lose their critical faculties when something is on TV/video rather than in a newspaper or on a web page.



I'm only seven minutes into this at the moment, admittedly, but my reaction to every single 'point' so far is "so what?"



I'm not sure I can be bothered with the rest of the 1hr 20 mins at this rate.

33 minutes into the video and I'm now very unimpressed.



What we have is a very poorly researched (and largely unsourced) monologue, with largely irrelevant visual wallpaper.



As someone who actually works in the media, I never ceased to be amazed by what people will believe when it's on the small screen. :?

Tyler Escribi�:

33 minutes into the video and I'm now very unimpressed.



What we have is a very poorly researched (and largely unsourced) monologue, with largely irrelevant visual wallpaper.



As someone who actually works in the media, I never ceased to be amazed by what people will believe when it's on the small screen. :?

what ever cunt

chemd'up Escribi�:

what ever cunt

What an erudite comment that was. Now I fully understand why you found such a weak hatchet job convincing. :)

OK, the main theories this video was putting forward were that the twin towers were a controlled demolition and that a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon.



Right, I've witnessed quite a few demolitions of controlled tower blocks in person, so I've always noticed a superficial similarity between these and the twin towers collapsing. But then I'm no demolition expert and these are superficial similiarities.



One difference is that all the controlled demolitions I've ever seen were completely clean, they certainly didn't leave piles of twisted metal standing 100ft or more high.



Another very important difference is that lots of debris is left behind among the rubble. Blasting caps, detonators, expl;osives residue, fuses, wiring etc. There were thousands of people clearing Ground Zero for months. And we are expected to believe that not one of these items was found and that not one person told anyone else what they had found? Get real.



The author makes a great deal about what he trumpets as "scientific fact", which mainly boils down to a schoolboy formula on freefall. See what the scientists themselves have to say at http://www.sciam.com...7F0000&colID=13



Snopes.com is a brilliant site that rips all kinds of urban myths and other nonsense to shreds. It does so again on the "no 757 at the Pentagon" myth:

http://www.snopes.co...rs/pentagon.htm

Dood, did you not see the part where they showed the charges going off on the side of the towers?

TheFlamingDead_ Escribi�:

Dood, did you not see the part where they showed the charges going off on the side of the towers?

I saw a piece of video where one blurry object was seen to fall off the building as if that was meant to be compelling evidence. Is that what you're talking about?



Now read what scientists and engineers, the people who know what they're talking about, have to say on it:



http://www.popularme...se/1227842.html

Well, not to get into some sort of war here - whether or not one agrees with the documentary, I think we can all agree there are a lot of unanswered questions that will likely never see the light of our days because that information is classified. I do not think it wrong or unhealthy to be skepticle. It's better than blindly following the hand that's going to spoon feed you only what it wants you to know.



Because we do not have answers, because there is no real "source" for answers other than a multitude of conspiracy theories and various articles countering those theories on the net, and because it's highly unlikely any of us are educated enough to understand the science beyond "schoolboy formulas".... the only thing we have is the capacity to question and do with the information we are provided from this plethora of "answers" and decide for ourselves. While I am a conspiracy theorist at heart, at the same time I'm not big on revisionist history, and often times I find once I've settled down and gained control of my kneejerk reactions, the truth more often than not lies somewhere in the middle.

whirlygirl Escribi�:

Well, not to get into some sort of war here - whether or not one agrees with the documentary, I think we can all agree there are a lot of unanswered questions that will likely never see the light of our days because that information is classified. I do not think it wrong or unhealthy to be skepticle. It's better than blindly following the hand that's going to spoon feed you only what it wants you to know.



Because we do not have answers, because there is no real "source" for answers other than a multitude of conspiracy theories and various articles countering those theories on the net, and because it's highly unlikely any of us are educated enough to understand the science beyond "schoolboy formulas".... the only thing we have is the capacity to question and do with the information we are provided from this plethora of "answers" and decide for ourselves. While I am a conspiracy theorist at heart, at the same time I'm not big on revisionist history, and often times I find once I've settled down and gained control of my kneejerk reactions, the truth more often than not lies somewhere in the middle.

Ah, but who are the real sceptics here? I fully understand your reasons for despising and distrusting Dubya and his gang of criminals, as well as the system they uphold. We're in 100% agreement on that.



Where we definitely part company is the idea that a few unexplained oddities automatically mean that some rather convoluted theories automatically must be right. The simple truth is that the theories espoused by this video (all of which are actually old stuff that has been floating around on the web for a few years now, it breaks no new ground whatsoever) don't bear up to close scrutiny by anyone with any actual scientific or engineering knowledge. The Popular Mechanics articles in particular are very concise, yet clear, rebuttals. They are the real sceptics - this theory has more holes in it than a swiss cheese.



As I've already said in an earlier post, yes I can see the superficial similarities between a controlled demolition and what happened to the twin towers. Fine, if anyone can come up with some remnants of detonators, blasting caps, fuses, explosives residue, all the things that are found all over the debris after a controlled explosion, let's talk about it. Oh, none of the thousands of site workers can say they found these things for fear they'll be bumped off? Sure, and then the NSA/Mossad/Illuminati/Lizards allow this guy to make a documentary about the plot.... :?



What I find far more likely is something that lies somewhere between the conspiracy and the cock-up. I'm sure it was known that something was going to happen on that day, and I dare say that it might well have been 'allowed' to happen because it would suit the neo-con agenda so well. In effect, it was the modern day equivalent of the burning down of the Reichstag building.



Remember that these guys wanted an excuse to go into Iraq, a secular dictatorship. If they were fully in charge of this conspiracy, they'd have made the plotters Iraqis and pin the blame firmly on Saddam Hussein. Let's not credit these neoc-on nutjobs with more competence than they actually possess.

P.S. I agree that there are still some unanswered questions and I'm sorry my above post implies that you (whirly) believe all of the conspiracy theory when in fact you don't. Sloppiness there on my part. :-//

Tyler Escribi�:

What I find far more likely is something that lies somewhere between the conspiracy and the cock-up. I'm sure it was known that something was going to happen on that day, and I dare say that it might well have been 'allowed' to happen because it would suit the neo-con agenda so well. In effect, it was the modern day equivalent of the burning down of the Reichstag building.



Remember that these guys wanted an excuse to go into Iraq, a secular dictatorship. If they were fully in charge of this conspiracy, they'd have made the plotters Iraqis and pin the blame firmly on Saddam Hussein. Let's not credit these neoc-on nutjobs with more competence than they actually possess.

^ A whole n'other can of worms! ;) But every as worthy to bring up. If I had a nickle fo every time someone in the Bush administration breathed Iraq and 9/11 in the same sentence... But you point out a rather healthy assessment in my opinion, worth a few rounds at a pub (if and when I make it back to the UK!)

Tyler Escribi�:

P.S. I agree that there are still some unanswered questions and I'm sorry my above post implies that you (whirly) believe all of the conspiracy theory when in fact you don't. Sloppiness there on my part. :-//

Tyler, I didn't take it that way at all - no worries! :)

watched the whole thing last night........wow, that was alot to swallow. Alot of what they say in that film really seems like it could be true!Unfortunately, it seems to be done by a few college students (i assume, from hearing the narrator) and it wont be taken all that seriously. :(



something deffinately fishy happened that day and important questions arent being answered. All though its kinda of a cliche, it seems like history is just repeating it self. (another good and popular example in the past is the JFK assination)

whirlygirl Escribi�:

But once that shock subsided to where I could think, something didn't sit right with me and hasn't sit right with me ever since...

i get that same feeling....and while people where in this "shock", the bush party quickly took advantage of the situation and kept tellling america to be afriad

Bosco Escribi�:

watched the whole thing last night........wow, that was alot to swallow. Alot of what they say in that film really seems like it could be true!Unfortunately, it seems to be done by a few college students (i assume, from hearing the narrator) and it wont be taken all that seriously. :(

Especially since the college student responsible initially set out to make a fictional film about a 9/11 conspiracy before deciding it would be a better marketing strategy to dress it up as a 'documentary'. It worked wonders for the Blair Witch Project after all.



Don't underestimate the power of suggestion. It's a well-known phenomenon that when a voiceover says you are seeing something and the video is inconclusive or even contradicts what the narrator says, people are far more likely to believe the voice-over. There's just something about the documentary style that makes people lose their critical faculties.



Please see my previous posts for an alternative view on this. In particular, check out these links from actual scientists and engineers:



http://www.popularme...se/1227842.html

http://www.sciam.com...F0000&colID=13

http://www.snopes.co...rs/pentagon.htm

Tyler Escribi�:

Bosco Escribi�:

watched the whole thing last night........wow, that was alot to swallow. Alot of what they say in that film really seems like it could be true!Unfortunately, it seems to be done by a few college students (i assume, from hearing the narrator) and it wont be taken all that seriously. :(

Especially since the college student responsible initially set out to make a fictional film about a 9/11 conspiracy before deciding it would be a better marketing strategy to dress it up as a 'documentary'. It worked wonders for the Blair Witch Project after all.



Don't underestimate the power of suggestion. It's a well-known phenomenon that when a voiceover says you are seeing something and the video is inconclusive or even contradicts what the narrator says, people are far more likely to believe the voice-over. There's just something about the documentary style that makes people lose their critical faculties.



Please see my previous posts for an alternative view on this. In particular, check out these links from actual scientists and engineers:



http://www.popularme...se/1227842.html

http://www.sciam.com...F0000&colID=13

http://www.snopes.co...rs/pentagon.htm

thanks for all the info tyler :) but dont worry, im not the biggest believer in this conspiracy either.....it just bothers me alot, that my government has been hidding the truth to its people on many of ocassions, creating massive confussion on what really has been going on and what hasnt been going on since 9/11. And even if this video is "far fetched" its nice to see that theres other views out there on what happened that day. Beacause our own government and media sure hasnt been helping us get the facts. Instead they keep on feeding us lies which has put us into a fictitious war.



I feel like moving to Canada now