I didn't say I won't enjoy the show because it's not made the way I want, but I could enjoy it more if it were.
I know what the Chems are worth live, so I know I won't fall asleep during the show but I hope it won't be like "Further then old tracks" cause it's not the best recipe they can come up with.

chemicalmat, on 20 June 2010 - 03:43 PM, said:

I'm sorry but i think your topic and statement is just rude. Yes you are intitled to your opinion but this is just rude. Other than the roundhouse you haven't experienced any other shows so what makes you presume that this will be a repeat for the whole tour. Further is a totally different LP to all the others, it purposefuly had visualls made for every song for us the buyers. It's the closest some will get to seeing them live and the closest to a live dvd. It makes absolute sense that they should play the whole thing through in it's entirity prior to it's official release. But what qualifies you to give advise on how a band should tour themselves from one show when they have been touring strong for 15 years!! You can't degrade a whole tour as being the worst ever from some jaded views. I think your views are totally unindicative of the general consensous, and no i'm not just a sheep calling you a hater either, i just think you should be more considered with your views as there's no real substance to them at all.
Feel free to bitch at me if you must

Maybe I'm strong, I agree with you, but don't forget the fact I'm french, not english, so I have some difficulties sometimes to explain my feeling... Maybe the vocaubular I use is a bit strong, ok, for the expression "the worst tour ever", I prefer to say "not one of the best"... But I don't understand why you can be happy to see a live gig with the same music and the same visual than on the album you own... More, with the same order and tracks looking similar to album version, it's not the idea I have of a live gig, more, of a CHEMICAL live gig... Maybe it's ok for you, but not for me, I repeat I enjoyed the Roundhouse live, the album wasn't released, it was a great occasion to discover the tracks, the visuals etc. But hey, now the album is released their is no surprises ! (except the second part which is too short).

If they keep this tracklisting I think it's a great occasion to try something different with Fruther's tracks (Tom talked about "beat version" of Snow ?), but I'm looking the Sonar's video and it's just the same than in the Roundhouse... I repeat, PERSONNALY, I'm disappointed...

Sorry Tom & Ed, you are my heroes, I always have many many expectations about your albums, your lives and everything, Further is GREAT, but the way you are touring this year is "easy"...

I'm sorry but I don't think he was rude at all. He clearly made a lot of effort not to yell at the Chems, he just wanted to share his feelings about the setlist, and I totally agree with him about that.
At least, he didn't say "It sucks !".

It's Chemical so of course it doesn't suck at all, but it could be better.

chemical_si, on 21 June 2010 - 03:10 AM, said:

virtually the same post I was gonna type earlier before my internet went down. Spot on chemical si.


Again, I feel people on this forum are really taking the idea of the album ( I'd rather call it a project) 'Further', lightly. Yes, they've successfully dazzled us again with their immense talent in making music. And in general, I would say thats why we're fans of them in the first place. But Tom and Ed wanted to try something different this time round. They decide they wanted to go further (no pun) artistically, and create a full on multimedia experience. Though not created by The Chemical Brothers, the visual part of the experience is just as important as the audio. I say, it's one in the same (this is why I created that !!!WARNING!!! topic a few weeks ago to express this viewpoint). I can only imagine the developmental process of balancing both ends of a project like this. Obviously, it's no easy feat. So for the time being, I don't blame Tom and Ed for standing proud and wanting to showcase their incredible experience they've created. And to repeat what has already been said, Tom has already mentioned that they would like to change it up as they go along with the tour. So some of you just might get your wish.

Just chill with the assumptions.


And please don't associate easy and the chemical brothers ever again. Come on guys, you'll regret saying that. Believe me, I've been there.

I don't feel ChemicalMat was rude at all. This is fans board, n he's very much a hardcore fan - he has all rights to voice something he feels so strongly about. It's up to Ed n Tom to take notice n do something or not, but there's nothing wrong in him asking, or expressing himself strongly.

After their sonar gig i was talking to a few people and they all liked part two more. not that they wasn't into part one but it was a festival and people wanted to burn down the house. the further showcase is something like a band showcase. I mean it's not that stringent like a dj set which is growing and growing.

for me I totally enjoyed both parts. I mean I saw EV AND horse power (the acid version) live so it was cool to have k+d+b like tracks in it to chill down a bit.

well done T&E! you did a great job. during the set I thought they really enjoyed it! btw: how many weight did Ed lost?

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chemicalmat, on 21 June 2010 - 11:13 AM, said:

ok, now that's a fair enough statement that reflects your views as aposed to your previous post. I'm glad that you could respond to my post sensibly (without me trying to sound patronising). Too often on this forum and many others like it, when someone has a different or more extreame view to the norm they useually get a lot of hatred back wcich usually flares up and often prevents other people viewing their opinions. I just think that some peoples opinions, and yours in this case just needed to be more concidered. In your second post it was so that's a perfectly valid point.

Full multimedia experience (live DVD) - Cinema, not a live show.
When you are raving and dancing and everyone around you is, you don't have much time to keep track with the visuals.
Can you watch a movie while everyone around you is jumping? Live shows are about music, lights, effects and visuals only add to that special feeling.
'Further' is NOT a live album. It's NOT a crowd pleaser. For the same reason while you just can't play Surrender or Exit Planet Dust from start to end on a show, you can't Further as well. Hardcore fans would love it, but thats approximately 2% of the whole crowd.

I haven't heard it live yet, but i can imagine what it would look like. Gonna see them in 20 days, and i'm a little dissapointed by their concept. It's like they are putting the visuals on first place and adding to the effect with Further.

Double post, sorry.

Igorchete: Suggest u hear the album first before forming such strong opinions. Further is nothing like Surrender or Exit Planet Dust or anything the Chems have done before. It's a back to back set of great songs that would all be killer live - it's a full album experience - consisting of songs that can all be played live n big -the Chems are taking the faithful on a new path again n n the world will follow soon.

JacksRevenge, on 21 June 2010 - 06:56 PM, said:

I have heard the album. Lots of times.
Like i said, the album is excellent in its entirety, only to the hardcore fan.
Everyone else would be like: "Hey, where are tunes like "Hey Boy Hey Girl" or "Salmon Dance"."
I've suggested many of my friends to listen to Further and the feedback was the same: average, nothing special.
The situation will be the same with the crowd. Everyone will say the first part was average, nothing special.
I hate music for the masses, but that's what you need for succesful commercial tours.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

chemicalmat, on 20 June 2010 - 01:43 PM, said:

STFU

JacksRevenge, on 21 June 2010 - 06:56 PM, said:

No, dude, i just can't see myself dancing to Snow, Another World, Dissolve or Wonders of the Deep.
They are massive tunes, to chill with on a summer day, but not for a live gig. At least not a Chems gig. I expect a mind-blowing rave selection and i doubt Further live can achieve that.

Further is massive, but way overhyped on this forum.

You are very strong Igorchete, even if I think the tracklist is a bad idea, all the Further's tracks are really good to play and to hear live ! You are talking about a tracklist more "for the masses", what do you mean ? If you mean more casual, I have one thing to say : Fuck The Masses ! The day Tom & Ed will play only "easy" big single, this day The Chemical Brothers will not be The Chemical Brothers longer...

Not every gig has to be 100% about the rave. Think about traditional guitar bands - even System of a Down had their chilled out moments, and it didn't take away from the live experience, it added to it, as the crowd feels more connected to one another (and the band themselves). It's a more emotional experience, and above all else, that's what the Chems do best

chemicalfan, on 21 June 2010 - 08:37 PM, said:

Yes, it would be an excellent experience, if the crowd actually knew Further as much as we know it.
As unfortunate as it is, you can't expect The Chems to have the same fan base as S.O.A.D. or some Nu-metal crap bands like Linkin Park.
Like i said 2 times before on this thread, only like 2-3% of the crowd are die-hard fans, the others know only the commercial releases of the Chems. No matter how much i hate it, i've become used to all the "Chemical Brothers? Those 'Galvanise' guys? Yeah, i like Galvanise!" comments. You can expect half the crowd on a festival to be people like these. And because of people like these you can't expect a tour like this to be succesful.

@ Everybody

Whether or not you like the tracklisting (or any other reasons) for the tour, your STILL gonna see the show right! . I can see that the veteran's here don't have any issues or preferences on how the show should be, but the others do want some elements of the show to be interchangable (different songs, different improvisation, etc.) or some sort of randomness. So I understand where most of you are coming from. I said this before and I'll say it again, the Further album part WILL STAY, but the second half of the show will come down to the decision of T and E!

If memory serves me well, The Chemical Brothers have never come on this forum and explained why they choose the tracklisting order, or explained how each show is arranged the way it is from show to show.

Maybe some of your reasons are not enough to convince T and E to make changes to the show compared to the fans outside this forum that enjoy the show the way it is.

And speaking for my future show, whatever the Chems play at the 'Bowl' show, I'm down!

Chems fans have always bitched about set lists, ever since I joined the clan 10 years ago! There was a phase (the Come With Us tour) where they didn't even play Chemical Beats - people were outraged! But you're right about the commercial edge, they'll have to keep those in (they're good tunes after all!), and they'll always keep one or two 'fan favourites' in there. With Further, I don't think there's a single commercial track on there, so it's a bit of a different beast. Further is an art form, it's not a straight-up album. In fact, I'd probably go as far to say that if it didn't have the visual element, I'd like it a bit less, as on first listen, I didn't dig it too much. Second listen is much better, most tracks have gone up in my estimation (which I expected to happen!). I personally cannot wait to hear & feel it on a soundsystem that is the size of my house, whilst being caught up in the moment with all the others fans there.

In the end of the day, the Chems put on a hell of a show, and it's all their own decisions, not ours. We can complain and try to suggest to them, but it hasn't worked in the last 10 years so it's not going to work now. I've never been to a bad Chems gig (Brighton PTB probably my worst, because the sound was awful. First time hearing TPPR live though, and I actually collapsed after it, it was that intense!!), even Trafalgar was an awesome set despite only being 9 tracks long (if memory serves!)

TL;DR - In Chems We Trust, they haven't done a bad job yet, and they're not about to start