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Posted 26 March 2003 - 11:02 PM
I'm kind of a new chemical brothers fan, and I'm trying to find this song. It's rather difficult to describe. I believe it is on the newest album "come with us" It was played on a "sirius" commercial. Here is an imitation of the beginning........
"ahhh, ahh, ah (duh-duh-duh-dut) "
"ahhh, ahh, ah (duh-duh-duh-dut) "
this repeats for quite some time until a beat comes in.
It is very important that I find out the name of the song because I have purchased two albums now with no luck. I am near positive that it is on the "come with us" album but must be sure !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLease help!!!
email::::: shaun_asakura@yahoo.com
"ahhh, ahh, ah (duh-duh-duh-dut) "
"ahhh, ahh, ah (duh-duh-duh-dut) "
this repeats for quite some time until a beat comes in.
It is very important that I find out the name of the song because I have purchased two albums now with no luck. I am near positive that it is on the "come with us" album but must be sure !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLease help!!!
email::::: shaun_asakura@yahoo.com
#6
Posted 27 March 2003 - 1:06 AM
Here's a Raft Chat i found on the web
DrakoDante: Will there be some changes in your next album? Rhytmically speaking?
Tom: We've always since we started making records gone between using 4/4 beats and break beats - see first album "Three Little Birdies down beats" Question answered?
Reddog: How did you start in dance music? Did you go to classes? Learn from friends?
Ed: Bit of both
Carlos Villarreal: What kind of music inspired you to create the type of music you do?
Ed: Our old music.
Beatriz Louren?o: no is question!Queria te dizer q you are very beatiful!Sorry,I no speak Inglish! Kisses Bia
Ed: Thank You, there's got to be one.
DrakoDante: Have you guys ever thought of collaborating with Icelandic Queen Bjork?
Tom: We did a remix for her, of the track Hyper Ballad, but she rejected it - didn't matter though, we bought our idea back of her and turned it into our title track of our second album, Dig Your Own Hole. There's no pleasing some people!
Eduardo: Do you guys plan to have a home video or a documentary?
Ed: We have two days worth of footage somewhere, which some one one day will have to sift through - of our early American tours, we were going to cut it to Private Psychedilic Reel but it might be a bit indulgent and boring for anyone else.
Niklas: Who does what when you are composing?
Ed: The real drainer.
Josh Palifroni: Do you find it hard, after releasing so many EPs and LPs, to find inspiration to come up with new music?
Tom: We always have lots of ideas but inspiration isnt something that comes 24 hours a day, you have to sit and wait for it to come up behind you and then you have to grab it. We are proud of the ammount of music we have made and think it's all brilliant. Goodbye!
Ed: I agree with Tom, I'm very proud.
mavis beacon: how do you feel about the "scene" emerging? like fatboy slim being played on MTV more often and such?
Ed: Mavis, Mavis, Mavis - don't you worry about a thing.
da_?r??k?d_Giraffe: sup? what kinda equipment do you use? and do compose your music with a meaning thats beyond words and felt through the raw music, or is it just me with my red eyes?
Tom: So you really want our whole equipment list, there is a website.
Ed: I'm glad that you make the meaning beyond the words
Shawn Blankenship: On your first record, "Exit Planet Dust" you thank "The kids from Orlando." Is that becuase you played your first live act there?
Tom: Yes - The Edge was a twisted place - Awesome. Icee deserves respect.
Ed: It wasnt our first but when we went to Orlando we were inspired that other people were on a similar tip as us in 1994 and we met some wicked people there, especially Brandy. We got into Miami Base and Booty music - This Is a Journey Into Bass.
Damon Ayanami: do the yellow shades affect yr world outlook?
Tom: Yes
Ed: No
Edward Adams: Do you two mean to instill fear into your audiences during your live performances? During your full on tours, I've witnessed a number of goers having to leave the area disoriented and confused, seeking to get their wits about them again.
Tom: We like music that physically effects you. We want to change how you feel.
Ed: Not like in an agressive way, just want alot of power and disorientation is a good thing at a concert.
Blake Early: Does your new song "hey boy, hey girl" have any story or meaning to it and if so what?
Tom: It's as shallow or as meaningful as shakin your booty on a saturday night.
Shai Dayan: Hey guys, whats up! I believe that you guys along with The Prodigy are the two best electronic acts in the world. Would you guys ever go on tour with THe Prodigy?
Ed: We have once.
Stefan Koopmanschap: Hi, I am one of the listees of the chemical brothers mailinglist. We are organising a party for the listees. Wanna come too? Maybe perform some tracks? Or DJ some?
Tom: What date is it? Sounds a good do. Where are you going to hold it - we're pretty busy over the next few months, but I hope it all goes well.
Ed: Nice one Stefan. You are one of the hardcore.
Peter Kirk: how long were you in limbo between university and making records, or was it an ongoing thing?
Ed: We made Song to the Siren just after finishing our exams, so we have never really been sitting in limbo.
Astralwerks: Can we please get a description of the infamous "face" Ed makes?
Tom: Errol, you know that face, when you chuck a mole out of your martini party and pull your finger out on that modern rock chart.
Ed: You'lll have to get a video of when Ronnie Size won the Mercury Music Prize at our expense. Pretty grumpy - couldnt really repeat, never been the grumpy again.
Chris: How much is it going to set me back to secure your DJ'ing wizardry for New Years Eve?
Ed: �250,000 each.
eugenia: does your tour include any parts of central and eastern europe? do you find people there to be more conservative or more open towards your music?
Ed: Yeah, we're going to Poland and I'm looking forward to it very much.
giles metcalfe: i know you used to play a lot of renegade soundwave when you were dj-ing in the past, but how big an influence on you was the british sound as opposed to the american old skool? you seem to use a lot of american old skool samples - is the british influence more subtle...?
Tom: It's all "in there"
Nicke: Will your music be as funky as it used to be?
Tom: Yes
Ed: No
kostya: Hey brothers, how's it goin'? What's the theme of your new album, what piece of your soul did you put in ?
Tom: Joy
Jamie: What is your stance on the MP3 debate? How do you feel that your yet to be released album is available on the web already?
TOm: I don't mind it - it's a good place to hear music if you live in like Latvia and you want to hear our remix of The Method Man - it's going to work for you. It will never replace owning the thing, but it's okay.
Ed: It's a load of old rubbish, I'm a bit of an old fogey, I like buying records, it's how I learnt to use the tubes going into town and buying records - if MP3 was around when I was 12 I wouldnt know how to get on the tube now.
Peter K: is it just me or is there a large ragga jungle influence in your work?
Ed: It's just you, you mad head.
Ski: Any thoughts on how you will incorporate the natural surroundings at Red Rocks?
Ed: Dont know really, might use a big white flag like Bono - could tie in with the title of our album?
Stephen Gormley: What bands do you like to listen to, to chill out on a Sunday PM, after a hard night in a club ?
Ed: I like to listen to Air to chill out to - on a sunday night I prefer to watch Pie In The Sky or go through my old video collection of The Bill.
matthew page: In Hey Boy Hey Girl were does the sample vocal come from or is it not a sample?
Tom: It is a sample from "The Roof Is On Fire" by Rockmaster Scott and the Dynamic Three on Reality Records.
Colin Witt: How easy is it to translate sounds from your mind into an actual sound.
Tom: That's the tricky part, Colin.
Backtrack: For one of your instruments on the "Surrender" cd did you use the ARP 2500 or 2600?
Tom: We used the 2600 extensivley. Both for processing and pure synthesis. I would love a 2500 but a bit too expensive.
Mike: Are there any performers that you'd like to produce - if so, what extra twist would you give them?
Ed: Another drainer.
Matthew Page: Where do you think Dance music is moving towards, with the number of large dance bands releasing albums this year things seem to be going in a new direction, where do you think things will end up?
Ed: Don't really care, not interested in the idea of music going somewhere, that it's progressing - it just is.
Tom: I agree Edmond.
jacob ekberg: What can we expect from the new album, much beats? You've worked alot with Noel Gallagher, is he your fave singer?
Tom: Yes, there are still much beats but now we have other stuff as well. Pretty cool hey!
Ed: Not my ultimate favorite singers, that would be John Lennon.
Steve B: Who's idea was it for the wicked bass sweep on "Under The Influence"? Live, that thing kills the kidneys... Crunch!!!
Tom: Glad you like it Steve! Yeah, we think it's proper naughty.
Mark: Who did you check out at homelands?
Tom: I saw Underworld, Curly, DJ Shadow.
Ed: I enjoyed Underworld, and Carl Cox I liked and I had a nice chat with Pete Tong.
Pod: Who's the girl on the cover of Dig Your Own Hole?
Ed: Paul Oakenfold when he was young.
Dustin Miles: Do you guys have any advie for someone that is aspiring to be a DJ?
Tom: and have a party with your friends and force them to listen to you playing re cords - they will obviously love it and from that point onwards pay you to entertain them. Good luck Dustin, I wish you all the best!
Ed: Buy some records
Steve B: Does the other half get fed up with you being on the road all the time? Brighton one week, Brazil the next, Homelands the weekend after?
Tom: I dont think so, everything seems sweet as, steve.
Ed: She's probably quite pleased, I've never asked.
jai: Album title ? Wass that all about then ?
Tom: Are you a journalist Jai?
Ed: It's in all the magazines what it's about.
DJ Stefan: What track was that awesome acid track U used after meat beat manifesto on the Anti Nazi Mix?
Tom: Can't remember, it was a long time ago. Glad you like the mix, we think it's pretty cool.
DJSystem: Judging the Anti Nazi mix, it seems to me that you have worked on Hey Girls Hey Boys for a long long time. Is that true ? And do you really have tracks that you work on for years ? This one sure sounds like it has been growing and growing and growing. Top track btw ;)
Ed: The sample's been around for a long time, we used to use it in a track we made to DJ with and we used it when we played live. It's taken a long time to nail and glad you like the track.
Paul Denham: With so many poor quality bootlegs in circulation, have you ever considered officially re-releasing older trax and harder to find B-sides? Perhaps a compilation album with tracks like Dope Coil, Morning Lemon, the full version of Song To The Siren, etc. - i.e. tracks not on any existing albums. Cheers, Paul
Tom: We are more interested in putting out new music at the moment but maybe one day we'll do a comprehensive retrospective compilation.
paul: are you both filthy rich now - i mean 250000 is quite a bit for a nights work
Tom: We're worth it baby, what do you have in mind?
tom barlow: hi.i was at your gig in manchester on the 11th may,i was some weirdo at the front with glasses.what the hell were you doing with them drum sticks? were you off your face?
Ed: I was sober as a judge and I only had one drum stick. I was trying to play a roland octopad which was a bit hidden.
Jamie: When you were in Seattle last, you were able to just walk through the middle of the place, and no one bothered you� Are you still able to do that? Are you able to do that everywhere?
Ed: Don't really see a problem with being bothered, we're not above the people who come in and see us.
Steve B: What bit of kit gives you the most hassles and has nearly gone out the Orinocco window on many an occasion?
Tom: The computer - everything else is rock solid.
Steve: If you were forced into being on Celebrity Death Match, who would you most like to meet in the ring for a good old punch up?
Ed: The Basement Jaxx.
Saturn99: I know you used to measure your music on whether your friends liked it or not, do you still do that?
Tom: yeah. They are the first line of critical response but it dosent get to that stage without both of us going through the tortuous process of self examination.
Fredrik: Isn�t "The roof is on fire" a Westbam song
Tom: Yes it is.
Ed: As well.
Sassy: What's the weirdest thing you've ever seen at one of your shows?
Tom: Mass levitation.
Ed: In holland in a festival there was a bomb fire in the middle of the crowd, people dancing like fire fairys around it - that was very good.
Japhy Ryder: Are you guys enjoying the people who follow you from show to show? Keep Lockin' n' Loadin' boys!
Tom: We are enjoying them very much.
Mike: Whom do each of you believe to have been the singular most influential artist to build your musical outlook?
Tom: New Order.
Ed: New Order.
James: I once caught one of your gigs at the Brixton Academy - they were carrying people out on stretchers. How do you guys feel about that? Top gig by the way!
Tom: Always a sign of a good night out.
Ed: Hope they are all okay in the end. Can get a bit out of control sometimes.
Jenni: Do you plan to do any mixes for the Backstreet Boys or Brittany Spears? And vice versa?
Tom: You muppet!
Ed: No
Adrian Russo: What has been your greatest live appearance, where you have walked off stage totally spaced out by your own sounds and hearing the crowd go totally crazy for more?
Ed: For me the three gigs in Tokyo in 1997 is my high point, everything was working, sound, lights and us. I am told by our tour manager that the night in the liquid rooms in Tokyo was our best ever gig.
Tom: And he's seen a few.
Ness: What's for dinner?
Tom: I dont know, you're making it my darling.
.and that's all we've got time for. Thanks for all your questions. Goodnight World.
DrakoDante: Will there be some changes in your next album? Rhytmically speaking?
Tom: We've always since we started making records gone between using 4/4 beats and break beats - see first album "Three Little Birdies down beats" Question answered?
Reddog: How did you start in dance music? Did you go to classes? Learn from friends?
Ed: Bit of both
Carlos Villarreal: What kind of music inspired you to create the type of music you do?
Ed: Our old music.
Beatriz Louren?o: no is question!Queria te dizer q you are very beatiful!Sorry,I no speak Inglish! Kisses Bia
Ed: Thank You, there's got to be one.
DrakoDante: Have you guys ever thought of collaborating with Icelandic Queen Bjork?
Tom: We did a remix for her, of the track Hyper Ballad, but she rejected it - didn't matter though, we bought our idea back of her and turned it into our title track of our second album, Dig Your Own Hole. There's no pleasing some people!
Eduardo: Do you guys plan to have a home video or a documentary?
Ed: We have two days worth of footage somewhere, which some one one day will have to sift through - of our early American tours, we were going to cut it to Private Psychedilic Reel but it might be a bit indulgent and boring for anyone else.
Niklas: Who does what when you are composing?
Ed: The real drainer.
Josh Palifroni: Do you find it hard, after releasing so many EPs and LPs, to find inspiration to come up with new music?
Tom: We always have lots of ideas but inspiration isnt something that comes 24 hours a day, you have to sit and wait for it to come up behind you and then you have to grab it. We are proud of the ammount of music we have made and think it's all brilliant. Goodbye!
Ed: I agree with Tom, I'm very proud.
mavis beacon: how do you feel about the "scene" emerging? like fatboy slim being played on MTV more often and such?
Ed: Mavis, Mavis, Mavis - don't you worry about a thing.
da_?r??k?d_Giraffe: sup? what kinda equipment do you use? and do compose your music with a meaning thats beyond words and felt through the raw music, or is it just me with my red eyes?
Tom: So you really want our whole equipment list, there is a website.
Ed: I'm glad that you make the meaning beyond the words
Shawn Blankenship: On your first record, "Exit Planet Dust" you thank "The kids from Orlando." Is that becuase you played your first live act there?
Tom: Yes - The Edge was a twisted place - Awesome. Icee deserves respect.
Ed: It wasnt our first but when we went to Orlando we were inspired that other people were on a similar tip as us in 1994 and we met some wicked people there, especially Brandy. We got into Miami Base and Booty music - This Is a Journey Into Bass.
Damon Ayanami: do the yellow shades affect yr world outlook?
Tom: Yes
Ed: No
Edward Adams: Do you two mean to instill fear into your audiences during your live performances? During your full on tours, I've witnessed a number of goers having to leave the area disoriented and confused, seeking to get their wits about them again.
Tom: We like music that physically effects you. We want to change how you feel.
Ed: Not like in an agressive way, just want alot of power and disorientation is a good thing at a concert.
Blake Early: Does your new song "hey boy, hey girl" have any story or meaning to it and if so what?
Tom: It's as shallow or as meaningful as shakin your booty on a saturday night.
Shai Dayan: Hey guys, whats up! I believe that you guys along with The Prodigy are the two best electronic acts in the world. Would you guys ever go on tour with THe Prodigy?
Ed: We have once.
Stefan Koopmanschap: Hi, I am one of the listees of the chemical brothers mailinglist. We are organising a party for the listees. Wanna come too? Maybe perform some tracks? Or DJ some?
Tom: What date is it? Sounds a good do. Where are you going to hold it - we're pretty busy over the next few months, but I hope it all goes well.
Ed: Nice one Stefan. You are one of the hardcore.
Peter Kirk: how long were you in limbo between university and making records, or was it an ongoing thing?
Ed: We made Song to the Siren just after finishing our exams, so we have never really been sitting in limbo.
Astralwerks: Can we please get a description of the infamous "face" Ed makes?
Tom: Errol, you know that face, when you chuck a mole out of your martini party and pull your finger out on that modern rock chart.
Ed: You'lll have to get a video of when Ronnie Size won the Mercury Music Prize at our expense. Pretty grumpy - couldnt really repeat, never been the grumpy again.
Chris: How much is it going to set me back to secure your DJ'ing wizardry for New Years Eve?
Ed: �250,000 each.
eugenia: does your tour include any parts of central and eastern europe? do you find people there to be more conservative or more open towards your music?
Ed: Yeah, we're going to Poland and I'm looking forward to it very much.
giles metcalfe: i know you used to play a lot of renegade soundwave when you were dj-ing in the past, but how big an influence on you was the british sound as opposed to the american old skool? you seem to use a lot of american old skool samples - is the british influence more subtle...?
Tom: It's all "in there"
Nicke: Will your music be as funky as it used to be?
Tom: Yes
Ed: No
kostya: Hey brothers, how's it goin'? What's the theme of your new album, what piece of your soul did you put in ?
Tom: Joy
Jamie: What is your stance on the MP3 debate? How do you feel that your yet to be released album is available on the web already?
TOm: I don't mind it - it's a good place to hear music if you live in like Latvia and you want to hear our remix of The Method Man - it's going to work for you. It will never replace owning the thing, but it's okay.
Ed: It's a load of old rubbish, I'm a bit of an old fogey, I like buying records, it's how I learnt to use the tubes going into town and buying records - if MP3 was around when I was 12 I wouldnt know how to get on the tube now.
Peter K: is it just me or is there a large ragga jungle influence in your work?
Ed: It's just you, you mad head.
Ski: Any thoughts on how you will incorporate the natural surroundings at Red Rocks?
Ed: Dont know really, might use a big white flag like Bono - could tie in with the title of our album?
Stephen Gormley: What bands do you like to listen to, to chill out on a Sunday PM, after a hard night in a club ?
Ed: I like to listen to Air to chill out to - on a sunday night I prefer to watch Pie In The Sky or go through my old video collection of The Bill.
matthew page: In Hey Boy Hey Girl were does the sample vocal come from or is it not a sample?
Tom: It is a sample from "The Roof Is On Fire" by Rockmaster Scott and the Dynamic Three on Reality Records.
Colin Witt: How easy is it to translate sounds from your mind into an actual sound.
Tom: That's the tricky part, Colin.
Backtrack: For one of your instruments on the "Surrender" cd did you use the ARP 2500 or 2600?
Tom: We used the 2600 extensivley. Both for processing and pure synthesis. I would love a 2500 but a bit too expensive.
Mike: Are there any performers that you'd like to produce - if so, what extra twist would you give them?
Ed: Another drainer.
Matthew Page: Where do you think Dance music is moving towards, with the number of large dance bands releasing albums this year things seem to be going in a new direction, where do you think things will end up?
Ed: Don't really care, not interested in the idea of music going somewhere, that it's progressing - it just is.
Tom: I agree Edmond.
jacob ekberg: What can we expect from the new album, much beats? You've worked alot with Noel Gallagher, is he your fave singer?
Tom: Yes, there are still much beats but now we have other stuff as well. Pretty cool hey!
Ed: Not my ultimate favorite singers, that would be John Lennon.
Steve B: Who's idea was it for the wicked bass sweep on "Under The Influence"? Live, that thing kills the kidneys... Crunch!!!
Tom: Glad you like it Steve! Yeah, we think it's proper naughty.
Mark: Who did you check out at homelands?
Tom: I saw Underworld, Curly, DJ Shadow.
Ed: I enjoyed Underworld, and Carl Cox I liked and I had a nice chat with Pete Tong.
Pod: Who's the girl on the cover of Dig Your Own Hole?
Ed: Paul Oakenfold when he was young.
Dustin Miles: Do you guys have any advie for someone that is aspiring to be a DJ?
Tom: and have a party with your friends and force them to listen to you playing re cords - they will obviously love it and from that point onwards pay you to entertain them. Good luck Dustin, I wish you all the best!
Ed: Buy some records
Steve B: Does the other half get fed up with you being on the road all the time? Brighton one week, Brazil the next, Homelands the weekend after?
Tom: I dont think so, everything seems sweet as, steve.
Ed: She's probably quite pleased, I've never asked.
jai: Album title ? Wass that all about then ?
Tom: Are you a journalist Jai?
Ed: It's in all the magazines what it's about.
DJ Stefan: What track was that awesome acid track U used after meat beat manifesto on the Anti Nazi Mix?
Tom: Can't remember, it was a long time ago. Glad you like the mix, we think it's pretty cool.
DJSystem: Judging the Anti Nazi mix, it seems to me that you have worked on Hey Girls Hey Boys for a long long time. Is that true ? And do you really have tracks that you work on for years ? This one sure sounds like it has been growing and growing and growing. Top track btw ;)
Ed: The sample's been around for a long time, we used to use it in a track we made to DJ with and we used it when we played live. It's taken a long time to nail and glad you like the track.
Paul Denham: With so many poor quality bootlegs in circulation, have you ever considered officially re-releasing older trax and harder to find B-sides? Perhaps a compilation album with tracks like Dope Coil, Morning Lemon, the full version of Song To The Siren, etc. - i.e. tracks not on any existing albums. Cheers, Paul
Tom: We are more interested in putting out new music at the moment but maybe one day we'll do a comprehensive retrospective compilation.
paul: are you both filthy rich now - i mean 250000 is quite a bit for a nights work
Tom: We're worth it baby, what do you have in mind?
tom barlow: hi.i was at your gig in manchester on the 11th may,i was some weirdo at the front with glasses.what the hell were you doing with them drum sticks? were you off your face?
Ed: I was sober as a judge and I only had one drum stick. I was trying to play a roland octopad which was a bit hidden.
Jamie: When you were in Seattle last, you were able to just walk through the middle of the place, and no one bothered you� Are you still able to do that? Are you able to do that everywhere?
Ed: Don't really see a problem with being bothered, we're not above the people who come in and see us.
Steve B: What bit of kit gives you the most hassles and has nearly gone out the Orinocco window on many an occasion?
Tom: The computer - everything else is rock solid.
Steve: If you were forced into being on Celebrity Death Match, who would you most like to meet in the ring for a good old punch up?
Ed: The Basement Jaxx.
Saturn99: I know you used to measure your music on whether your friends liked it or not, do you still do that?
Tom: yeah. They are the first line of critical response but it dosent get to that stage without both of us going through the tortuous process of self examination.
Fredrik: Isn�t "The roof is on fire" a Westbam song
Tom: Yes it is.
Ed: As well.
Sassy: What's the weirdest thing you've ever seen at one of your shows?
Tom: Mass levitation.
Ed: In holland in a festival there was a bomb fire in the middle of the crowd, people dancing like fire fairys around it - that was very good.
Japhy Ryder: Are you guys enjoying the people who follow you from show to show? Keep Lockin' n' Loadin' boys!
Tom: We are enjoying them very much.
Mike: Whom do each of you believe to have been the singular most influential artist to build your musical outlook?
Tom: New Order.
Ed: New Order.
James: I once caught one of your gigs at the Brixton Academy - they were carrying people out on stretchers. How do you guys feel about that? Top gig by the way!
Tom: Always a sign of a good night out.
Ed: Hope they are all okay in the end. Can get a bit out of control sometimes.
Jenni: Do you plan to do any mixes for the Backstreet Boys or Brittany Spears? And vice versa?
Tom: You muppet!
Ed: No
Adrian Russo: What has been your greatest live appearance, where you have walked off stage totally spaced out by your own sounds and hearing the crowd go totally crazy for more?
Ed: For me the three gigs in Tokyo in 1997 is my high point, everything was working, sound, lights and us. I am told by our tour manager that the night in the liquid rooms in Tokyo was our best ever gig.
Tom: And he's seen a few.
Ness: What's for dinner?
Tom: I dont know, you're making it my darling.
.and that's all we've got time for. Thanks for all your questions. Goodnight World.
#19
Posted 22 April 2003 - 7:02 AM
I'd say the best introductory album for someone who fancies chemical brothers but doesn't know new order would be their Live BBC album, which shares the most common ground with the chems, especially their live stuff like out of control and of course temptation. But the ones antype listed are good albums. One thing that's always fun to do (if you're not afraid of commitment) is get the albums in chronological order, which always makes bands much more appreciable, one I did that with was the chems and they're me favorite... well they still would be if I hear surrender or dyoh first