We've spoken much about politics in the recent days, especially about the Arab revolutions but also about issues in a couple of other countries. As there have been suggestions, voilà , here it is: our new politics thread, feel free to discuss anything related to politicians and their work in your or other countries, the EU or any international organisations or even on regional level.
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 12:54 PM
igorchete, on 04 March 2011 - 12:11 PM, said:
Sorry, but, Arab revolutions?
All revolutions so far have been happening in Northern Africa.
All revolutions so far have been happening in Northern Africa.
So you do not think these states are Arabian ones?
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 1:12 PM
BoywiththeGoldenEyes, on 04 March 2011 - 01:54 PM, said:
So you do not think these states are Arabian ones?
No, they are not.
They are Muslim, but not Arab, northern Africa (former Mesopotamia and Carthagena) was one of the first civilisations on the planet, much older than the Arabian civilisation, only thing that has changed through time is their religion, but not their roots.
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 3:00 PM
igorchete, on 04 March 2011 - 02:12 PM, said:
No, they are not.
They are Muslim, but not Arab, northern Africa (former Mesopotamia and Carthagena) was one of the first civilisations on the planet, much older than the Arabian civilisation, only thing that has changed through time is their religion, but not their roots.
They are Muslim, but not Arab, northern Africa (former Mesopotamia and Carthagena) was one of the first civilisations on the planet, much older than the Arabian civilisation, only thing that has changed through time is their religion, but not their roots.
That does not make sense my friend. Tunisia, Egypt and Libya all are member states of the Arab League. Tunis for a while was and Cairo is even the capital of the League.
Arabian is generally also their native language.
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 3:00 PM
igorchete, on 04 March 2011 - 02:12 PM, said:
No, they are not.
They are Muslim, but not Arab, northern Africa (former Mesopotamia and Carthagena) was one of the first civilisations on the planet, much older than the Arabian civilisation, only thing that has changed through time is their religion, but not their roots.
They are Muslim, but not Arab, northern Africa (former Mesopotamia and Carthagena) was one of the first civilisations on the planet, much older than the Arabian civilisation, only thing that has changed through time is their religion, but not their roots.
That does not make sense my friend. Tunisia, Egypt and Libya all are member states of the Arab League. Tunis for a while was and Cairo is even the capital of the League.
Arabian is generally also their native language.
sorry for double-posting...
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 7:15 PM
BoywiththeGoldenEyes, on 04 March 2011 - 04:00 PM, said:
That does not make sense my friend. Tunisia, Egypt and Libya all are member states of the Arab League. Tunis for a while was and Cairo is even the capital of the League.
Arabian is generally also their native language.
Arabian is generally also their native language.
Arabian is their official language, but is far from their native language. They are states of the Arab League because they're related to Arab countries through religion. And the capital of that League is changed every 4 years or something. Northern Africans are assimilated people by Arabs, they are far from Arabs themselves.
In Turkey Arabic was the official language up until 90 years ago with Ataturk's reforms. Are Turks Arabs also?
Even Iran and Iraq aren't Arab countries.
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 7:25 PM
igorchete, on 04 March 2011 - 08:15 PM, said:
Arabian is their official language, but is far from their native language. They are states of the Arab League because they're related to Arab countries through religion. And the capital of that League is changed every 4 years or something. Northern Africans are assimilated people by Arabs, they are far from Arabs themselves.
In Turkey Arabic was the official language up until 90 years ago with Ataturk's reforms. Are Turks Arabs also?
Even Iran and Iraq aren't Arab countries.
In Turkey Arabic was the official language up until 90 years ago with Ataturk's reforms. Are Turks Arabs also?
Even Iran and Iraq aren't Arab countries.
ok, may that be your opinion. however, the capital of the Arab League is NOT changed every 4 years or so. it has been cairo originally but as the egyptian government has signed a peace treaty with israel it has been changed to tunis for a number of years before being changed back to cairo.
however, how far are you dating back to classify states as "arabian" ones? one of the native countries of the islam is tunisia (this is what they say themselves). the islam is also said to be the religious indicator for arab states but that dates like 1400 years back (other than the arab league, I agree)! and it has not emerged from those states that might be "arabian" ones in your opinion but from those that are not (again, in your opinion)
also, more than 95% of egyptians and tunisians are said to be ethnic arabs.
how do you define "arabian" states as such, then?
[and yeah, parts of turkey are arabian also IMO. still, that does not make turkey an arabian state in it's entirety]
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 10:15 PM
"Arab" is just the generic term to qualify all these countries.
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inchemwetrust, on 12 August 2011 - 11:00 AM, said:
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 11:01 PM
I define 'Arabian' states as being geographically on the Arabian Peninsula or/and having a majority of ethnic Arabs.
How can 95% of Egyptians be ethnic Arabs when the Egyptian civilization is one of the oldest civilizations on Earth, much older than the Arabic one?
How can 95% of Egyptians be ethnic Arabs when the Egyptian civilization is one of the oldest civilizations on Earth, much older than the Arabic one?
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 11:11 PM
The bloke off the internet, on 04 March 2011 - 11:15 PM, said:
"Arab" is just the generic term to qualify all these countries.
Yes, it's a general term, and a general misconception.
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Posted 05 March 2011 - 4:32 AM
You don't get it.
When we say "the arab world", it includes all the countries whose official language is arab.
I study arab at the university, and even though not all these countries speak the exact same arab (there are a lot of dialects), we qualify their inhabitants as "arabs". Even my techer, who is Algerian, says that.
It means that Iranians cannot be considered as arabs, but North Africans can.
When we say "the arab world", it includes all the countries whose official language is arab.
I study arab at the university, and even though not all these countries speak the exact same arab (there are a lot of dialects), we qualify their inhabitants as "arabs". Even my techer, who is Algerian, says that.
It means that Iranians cannot be considered as arabs, but North Africans can.
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inchemwetrust, on 12 August 2011 - 11:00 AM, said:
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Posted 05 March 2011 - 9:55 AM
igorchete, on 05 March 2011 - 12:01 AM, said:
I define 'Arabian' states as being geographically on the Arabian Peninsula or/and having a majority of ethnic Arabs.
How can 95% of Egyptians be ethnic Arabs when the Egyptian civilization is one of the oldest civilizations on Earth, much older than the Arabic one?
How can 95% of Egyptians be ethnic Arabs when the Egyptian civilization is one of the oldest civilizations on Earth, much older than the Arabic one?
because the old egyptians all are dead by now while the arabs are not. it's called gentrification nowadays
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Posted 05 March 2011 - 11:36 AM
It's as if you said Mexicans cannot be considered as hispanic since the mayas weren't.
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inchemwetrust, on 12 August 2011 - 11:00 AM, said:
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Posted 05 March 2011 - 12:29 PM
The bloke off the internet, on 05 March 2011 - 12:36 PM, said:
It's as if you said Mexicans cannot be considered as hispanic since the mayas weren't.
I actually thought the same regarding Latin America. That would've been my next arguement
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Posted 14 April 2011 - 2:57 AM
Only a few might care here but.....We Canadians are back into election season. This time, it is seen as pointless by most people. The Harper conservative government was taken down in a non-confidence vote after 5 years of a MINORITY government thanks to being found in contempt of governance.
A few of the forum members here are affected, but probably won't care (like most of Canada). I am interested and I'd thought I would let you know.
A few of the forum members here are affected, but probably won't care (like most of Canada). I am interested and I'd thought I would let you know.
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Posted 14 April 2011 - 6:16 AM
I'm interested but currently woefully out of touch with what the issues are. Neither side seems to be promoting anything, just scaremongering about the potential acts of the other side. Welcome to American-style attack campaigns.
Ryno, if you've got any sites, sources, etc. to help catch me up to date, I'll purview (sp?) them.
(And, to think that I "managed" a campaign in a provincial election only a few years ago... hah. Stopped paying attention even though I "like" politics.)
Ryno, if you've got any sites, sources, etc. to help catch me up to date, I'll purview (sp?) them.
(And, to think that I "managed" a campaign in a provincial election only a few years ago... hah. Stopped paying attention even though I "like" politics.)
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Posted 14 April 2011 - 9:10 AM
I do care about Canada a bit as it is a country somehow in my heart - don't know why but for some reason I love it and it's one of my dreams going there (especially the East coast) for a couple of weeks.
Still, I cannot say much about the internal political situation apart from it seems very fragile to me in terms of governments and stability.
Regarding international politics IMO Harper's been okay.
Still, I cannot say much about the internal political situation apart from it seems very fragile to me in terms of governments and stability.
Regarding international politics IMO Harper's been okay.
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Posted 14 April 2011 - 9:25 PM
darkstar, here is a link to what each party is actually wanting to do, outside attacking each other.
http://www.edmontonj...a/promises.html
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