I think Alchemist is correct on some accounts. I don?t appreciate how he singled out Whirlygirl and Jeanie, but I suppose he had to make his mark somewhere.



I really think he?s trying to get the point across that there is a lot of biased fanboy/fangirl opinion in here, which I believe is more true then not. And I fall victim to this too. Because I totally give Chemical Brother tracks more attempts then necessary, which then, just like he described, ends up with me starting to like the songs that I didn?t like in the first place.



When people start to call this track 'smart' or 'mind-blowing', I too, begin to roll my eyes and have a hard time holding my knee jerk emotions. And personally, I don?t see this track as a positive step for the chemical brothers musically. However, if that?s what they like and want their music to sound like, so be it. It doesn?t mean we need to adjust our music taste to theirs. But, I must say, it almost seems like most of the forumers have a contrived biased opinion on this track, due to their Chemical fanboy/fangirlism.



And a lot of you guys have surprised me that like this track. Its pretty clear that the track is similar sounding to the mainstream pop artists that many of us demise. Yet, many of us are left with comments like "that?s awesome", "mind-blowing", "smart pop", or "tom and ed, you did it again." And then, when another big electronic/dance artists does the same thing like the Chemical Brothers just did with a poppy track like "Do It Again", none of you are afraid to lash out and say ?that?s crap!?



I better just stop now.... I just wanna be friends with you guys. :-//

I see you're point Bosco , and in a way i do agree with you. I also give tracks made by Tom and Ed more time to sink in than i will from other artists. I am also guilty of this. I would not call myself a 'fangirl' tho. Simply because i am not afraid to speak my mind if i dont like something the Chems made. I will choose my words a bit more carefull maybe , because imagine how you would feel if you make something you are super proud off , and than you read "ITS THE WORSE THING THEY EVER MADE!' see what i mean ?!



Its not that that i have problems with , its the way Alchemist chooses to post and slack off people with a different opinion than his.

I wud not start feelin sorry for em,they put their music out there and they are also rich,u do not HAVE to like this track

The second break sounds like the Octave Kitten/Cat, just like the bleeps Ed does live on BRB

Jeanie Escribi�:

I will choose my words a bit more carefull maybe , because imagine how you would feel if you make something you are super proud off , and than you read "ITS THE WORSE THING THEY EVER MADE!' see what i mean ?!

I would hope they arent that fragile (!) Think of all the artists/bands that have to deal with that comment every day. I think Tom and Ed should be alright. ;-)

Ben_j Escribi�:

The second break sounds like the Octave Kitten/Cat, just like the bleeps Ed does live on BRB

Yep pretty cool!



also PENIS.

I also smell a very good transition between Do It Again and Das Spiegel, the extended version is totally a different song!

Bosco Escribi�:

I think Alchemist is correct on some accounts. I don?t appreciate how he singled out Whirlygirl and Jeanie, but I suppose he had to make his mark somewhere.

Which proves he's a fnckin' retard, because singling Whirly out for anything negative is a really good way to have every single one of his posts changed to his declaring how much he loves penis. heh.



And I would like to say:



Yes, I am a fanboy.



Tom & Ed have given me, with their shows, some of the absolute best experiences of my entire life, experiences that rank up there with the night I met my wife and the day my son was born.



Their songs have been their for so many meaningful times of my existence, both good and bad, that when the movie of my life is made, it could have a completely Chemical Brother soundtrack.



Thanks to them, I've met dozens of people that I would not have met otherwise, through this message board and the old mailing list.



So



I am a fanboy. I love Tom & Ed. And if you talk shite about them here, I will kick you in the balls, literally (if possible) or figuratively (if not).



Thank you, and goodnight.

Big whoop... Wanna fight about it?

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toomuch'stash Escribi�:

And crystal method were great.... for 5 minutes... after Vegas came out.

they really werent, stash. seriously.



whatever came out, i wish it would go back in.

I like Crystal Method. So. It's out!

well said stash!



I can easilly say that chems are the only music that has effected my life to the extent where it felt like waking up into a world of more more possibility and beauty... to sound really cheese.



it's great to have their positive music essentially narrate many things, alway enjoy their attempt at something new. regardless of whether you like the sound of this song or not, you have to give them credit it's a pretty fuckin good pop song that still tips the hat to chems fans, good at showing the balance. keep em coming!

Alchemist Escribi�:

So I guess now I am the only person to blame for negative comments about this track. I must say I'm fairly disappointed by the majority of forumers because you seem to have lost the will to criticise and have turned into (everything is great) 'blind' fans.



Whirlygirl - I have always respected your comments as you are one of the most mature people on this forum and you have been here the longest I guess. I didn't like that you pointed to my comments as being unreasonable. And this leads me to one issue about you - I have never seen you criticise even slightly, anything that relates to Chems music. Now I know that this is probably a part of your personality to put a positive spin on everything, but that doesn't mean that your comments should be the true and only ways of looking at things.



I guess Jeanie falls in the same category, but to me she always seems like an euphoric, overexcited raver after poping five E's at 3 am. So even if Tom and Ed released a track where they randomly hit a rubish bin with a stick - she would find it mindblowing. God bless your optimism Jeanie.



For me this song does not represent The Chemical Brothers that I have fell in love since 1996. No, I do not want another 'DYOH'. Yes I will probably find this song more catchy after 100 listens, but guess what- the same will happen with Christina Aguilera's 'Candy Man' and that doesn't make it a good song.

I played this song to a mate who is not a great fan of electronic music but has always respected Chems as something of an intelligent man's dance music - he thought that I was joking around when he heard it. When he realised it was really Chems he had a 'WTF' look on his face. People comparing this song the 'how bad the Golden Path was' are wrong because a) Goldenth Path was never a part of the new album and b) It was never a bad song - just a different style (Wayne Coyne is a genius).



Offcourse, not every Chems song should be an emotional trip full of meaning about life - but come on, Chems can do a better raw, floor thumping tune than this - I have no idea why they worked with Ali Love in the first place as there seems to be no connection between Chems and him in this song. Again, I still have a strong belief that WATN is going to be an excellent album - but I honestly think that Tom and Ed have made a mistake of making 'Do it Again' the first single. It will probably recieve a poor reaction from the fans of electronic music as well as commercial stations.

2/10



badly thought out. unnessecarily personal and lets face it an argument over opinions. "I like yellow. no green is better...no blue...blues much better"



jeanie and whirly are both proper ace. you on the other hand are descended from criminals













































































































;-)

back in your box I'm not a narrow minded xenophobe. I am however trying to add some humour to what is a very very pointless debate.



viva acid house!

Biff Escribi�:

well said stash!



I can easilly say that chems are the only music that has effected my life to the extent where it felt like waking up into a world of more more possibility and beauty... to sound really cheese.



it's great to have their positive music essentially narrate many things, alway enjoy their attempt at something new. regardless of whether you like the sound of this song or not, you have to give them credit it's a pretty fuckin good pop song that still tips the hat to chems fans, good at showing the balance. keep em coming!

I also just can't judge it on it's own.



First time I heard Galvanise, I was like, WTF? It didn't sound like a 'Chemical Brothers Song' (whatever the hell that is) to me at all... but after hearing the whole album, and getting ready to go out clubbing, poppin in PTB, and hearin that 'DON'T HOLD BACK!'.... I mean, I wouldn't change a thing about that song.



Shi7, we talk about Holding Back all the time, and how we shouldn't, because The Brothers told us not too... bwah.

M'Chebne Escribi�:

badly thought out. unnessecarily personal and lets face it an argument over opinions. "I like yellow. no green is better...no blue...blues much better"



jeanie and whirly are both proper ace. you on the other hand are descended from criminals









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;-)

back in your box I'm not a narrow minded xenophobe. I am however trying to add some humour to what is a very very pointless debate.



viva acid house!

Dude, don't apologize, 90% of everyone I've ever met online from Australia are dickheads (kwiddle and consumer the notable exceptions)... they're bred that way or something... like the worst kind of redneck/chav mindset in the world... it's like the drain on the bottom of the planet where all the old spunk, pubic hairs and soap scum accumulates.

Afro88 Escribi�:

X-D

Dont worry afro - <3

AND afro88... :-// }:-)

X-D



I was rolling my eyes more in response to what you said about Australians as a whole.... you've obviously never met any New Zealanders then? ;)

I was just takin' de piss.... but srsly, you know what a dick I am online, right? the only person who's ever threatened me with physical violence was an aussie...

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Darkstarexodus Escribi�:

I don't see what's wrong with contextualizing a song.

Yeah, you are right. Looking back I think I got the (false?) impression that this thread had partially become a support group for people who are pissed of the track... "there there, it's not that bad, maybe it's following the trends set up by other producers instead of leading but it's still the chemical way of doing so! it's a pop world so you gotta do pop cause pop is pop" ... and I don't think support is dumb but I find some of the arguments so silly I just had to response. Nothing wrong with contextualizing songs - it's just so easy to fall into some strange sort of fan culture which thrives on secondary details and in my opinion just makes you miserable in the end.

Err. If this was a condescending dig at me (which I feel it was given your response to my long assessment of the track - maybe I am wrong) then I think you either misunderstod the gist of what I was trying to say or something was lost in translation. Or maybe I am being overly sensitive today.

Well uhh, you might have said something that provoked me to write the text but if I didn't quote you I wasn't making any digs specifically at you. I kinda sorta try to focus on the content. But hey, I can make a dig to this reply!

I was using the ideas expressed in the thread as a spring board for my reply, given that I was 30 pages late into the discussion to begin with and had a few listens under my belt. But my references to pop and my perception of the lyrics still stand. As Darkstar and others pointed out in varying degrees, pop doesn't have to automatically mean it's bad. Radio friendly doesn't mean it's sh*t although there have been disappointing responses to Do It Again that imply certain people were either a.) expecting something mindblowingly epic like The Reel or b.) wishing the Chems would go underground and not make a song that might get radio play. Same old discussion, just a different day and a new tune to bring it out. :P

Yes maybe you can make that sort of implication on some of the responses but I think the "pop" argument isn't "I don't like this track because it's pop." but rather "I don't like this track. Additionally it reminds me of certain pop songs so I say that it sounds like them."

The fact that someone (including myself) would refer to this song as damn good pop song and being ahead of their game and everyone elses and get the kind of negative reaction is reflective of bias or prejudice IMO.

What are you saying here?

Or else it wouldn't have issued such terse rebuttals. Or maybe I am missing something, or something is lost in translation. I never said the Chems were a pop act, or they were making music to be trendy - isn't trendy really just a part of being in the right place at the right time? I've been a fan long enough to know the Chemical Brothers make music that pleases them. What we hear is their souls, to some degree. I can hear this when I listen to their music - radio friendly, MTV and Grammy awards be damned. They do what they want to do, and where their music fits in is happenstance.

Anyway - either someone likes the song or they don't, but yay/nay responses are boring and dull and so are inane one liners pissing on the tune and all the blasting that Chems have gone commercial. It is far more interesting and less miserable to discuss what makes a song a good song, or what makes it bad or what you get or don't get out of it, or how it fits into the landscape or culture. Tying in commercial appeal or the radio friendliness of the tune is only the tip of the iceberg to more interesting discussion. Contextualizing is where the discussion's at once everyone's found their footing.

There will always be inane one-liners and the usual proceedings are good discussion -> ignitious one-liner -> a page long rebuttal -> controversy -> more one-liners. Maybe we could break this cycle by focusing on our own reactions towards the track instead of trying to control the discussion of others?

Gotchya!! I see what you're saying and I apologize if I took what you wrote out of context.



Like I said, maybe I was being oversensitive today (yesterday). What day is it anyway?? Anyway man, it's all good. I have no desire to control conversations. I do like to use bits and pieces of ideas to help forumulate a response, it's more engaging and leads to discussion - and it's less like talking to myself.