Ben_j Escribi�:

Slipvin Escribi�:

AONO really sucked ass.

Not as much as you do



I'm with iggy, I love AONO. It's a really good album. Maybe I really like it because I was not a lot into Prodigy whent it came out. I didn't know Music for the jilted generation and Experience. Yet I really love those two albums too, now that I know them.



The only thing I dislike about Prodigy is it's not a one man band. Keith and Maxim are really useless and annoying. Liam should go solo...

Fuck you.

Skylined Escribi�:

I listen Electronica, but not the one that you can listen anywhere here, it's the kind that you might dislike.

That's what I say when they ask me.





AONO

I thought it was a bad album, and it's still that way.

A little bit loopy? Cmon!

Spitfire for example could be cut at the middle, the second half is just a repetition of the first part. It's one of the only songs that I like from that album, but I don't like that repetition.



And I can feel de aggression too, it's like if a girl was dancing in front of me, but instead of dancing in a nice way (first 3 albums), she's just pushing me without any reason and she isn't paying attention to the music.





New record label and new album.

Well, I just hope those two things are for better.

I would love to see the guys from Pendulum giving a little hand in some of their songs.





Chems.

What can I say... well, the same as always.

<3 bigbeat <3 breakbeat <3 Exit Planet Dust <3



And here's when I drop the bomb.

I dislike EBW 8/9.

Finally someone who agrees!

Csar Escribi�:

But if it had come out some years earlier all the people and critics that trash it now would have said it's ground breaking and new.

NO SHIT. things that are re-finishings of that which has already been down is not as groundbreaking as if it had been done before those other offerings....

Csar Escribi�:

Something to Big Beat:

imo this kind of music is one of the freest, most boundless and versatile genres i know. Anything is allowed, nothing is limiting you. That is why i'm still believe the chems' music still has much of this genre and its elements (consciously or unconsciously). Think of GYH's little break at the end or The Boxer, Marvo Ging, the break in Come With Us, Freak Of The Week, HBHG or the recently released EBW 8. It's not just a matter of beats, moreover a matter of how you do things (choice of samples, arrangements, sounds, effects).



Anyways, putting an artist into any category is always a bit plain eventually.

'this genre is good and has such possibilities because...'



go FUCK YOURSELVES ALL WHO SAY THIS ABOUT ANY GENRE OF MUSIC

just do it. you'll feel better and forget that I think that it's a bullshit waste of energy. genres are PRACTICAL organizational systems NOT sources of music. it's how things come together that the decide what it sounds LIKE and group it thus. geez FUCK OFF GENRE BITCHES







people I'm sorry for all of that but if you would stop actually trying to undermine things and actually discuss what's going on....

iguanapunk Escribi�:

Oh and i'm happy with the path the chems have taken, don't get me wrong. If they'd stuck where they were we wouldn't have got to hear some of the gems they have created.

I know iggy, I just felt like ranting chemicals!!

irish fan Escribi�:

i hate it when americans desbribe all electronic music as techno like it is a dirty word.

Nah, 'tehcno' used to be the buzz word but Americans are more inclined to call it electronica because that's the watered down genrefication that blew up here in the later half of the 1990's. :P Sort of like how the despicable and degrading term shoegaze came about - that style of music was referred to as something else once upon a time but that horrible phrase shoegaze really stuck and it's horrible.



But yeah, I know what you're saying. I think for a while there electronic music was seen as the root of all evil here in the states. I'm convinced of it, actually. It's because kids discovered raving (the US has always been a late bloomer) and parents freaked and the media seemed to feed and perpetrate these fears. Perfect example. There's this place called the Irvine Spectrum near where I live and it's a busy outdoor mall with restaurants, theaters, useless crap gift shops, clothing stores etc. There ase these kiosks there too that sit in the middle of the walkways and wider spaces. The kiosks sell everything from purses to sunglasses to everything inbetween. So yeah. There was one kiosk that sold nothing but electronic music and there was always tunes booming which attracted anyone within a half block radius. So stash and I are with our son (this was a few years ago) and we're milling about the kiosk having a look while my son's got some headphones on. He's digging it. Next to me I see this boy who was about 11 or 12. He puts on some headphones and his dad comes running over. Dad's pissed off. He yanks the headphones off his kid and grabs him by the collar speaking tersely, "What the hell are you listening to? You shouldn't be listening to that rave music. That's ecstasy music. Drug music! That's bad, that's not even real music!!"



stash laughed and pointed but I was like, what the fuck?

GLAKO-FAHN Escribi�:

Csar Escribi�:

But if it had come out some years earlier all the people and critics that trash it now would have said it's ground breaking and new.

NO SHIT. things that are re-finishings of that which has already been down is not as groundbreaking as if it had been done before those other offerings....

Csar Escribi�:

Something to Big Beat:

imo this kind of music is one of the freest, most boundless and versatile genres i know. Anything is allowed, nothing is limiting you. That is why i'm still believe the chems' music still has much of this genre and its elements (consciously or unconsciously). Think of GYH's little break at the end or The Boxer, Marvo Ging, the break in Come With Us, Freak Of The Week, HBHG or the recently released EBW 8. It's not just a matter of beats, moreover a matter of how you do things (choice of samples, arrangements, sounds, effects).



Anyways, putting an artist into any category is always a bit plain eventually.

'this genre is good and has such possibilities because...'



go FUCK YOURSELVES ALL WHO SAY THIS ABOUT ANY GENRE OF MUSIC

just do it. you'll feel better and forget that I think that it's a bullshit waste of energy. genres are PRACTICAL organizational systems NOT sources of music. it's how things come together that the decide what it sounds LIKE and group it thus. geez FUCK OFF GENRE BITCHES







people I'm sorry for all of that but if you would stop actually trying to undermine things and actually discuss what's going on....

Take it easy, Glako - it's OK. I remember our last discussion on genres rather well, it wasn't very long ago. I agree with your sentiment on genre practicality, it can be useful and it has its place. I also feel that all music in general (not just certain kinds) has the world of boundless possibility at its feet. I don't think it's fair to box the chems in a big beat category. But it should be undestood that people here are trying to define in written word what they are hearing. I really don't think it's wrong for someone to say they prefer one type of music over another, and hear the possibilities in it. :?

toomuch'stash Escribi�:

...when it comes to 'IDM'



it should stand for 'I'm deaf, me'

No, it really stands for It Doesn't Matter. ;)



Or I'm Deaf, Mate (after listening to It Doesn't Matter at speaker shattering volumes).

Skylined Escribi�:

And I can feel de aggression too, it's like if a girl was dancing in front of me, but instead of dancing in a nice way (first 3 albums), she's just pushing me without any reason and she isn't paying attention to the music.

Exactly!

X-D

I've just realized that my spanish got in the way, I wrote "de" instead of "the". X-D





Problem in this country is that almost the only electronica that you may listen is techno, trance, progressive, house.

Same as places to go, there are few of them and you'll only be able to listen to that kind of music. If you want to listen dnb, for example, you have to go to a private party or something like that.





Just as an example, I've been traveling to other cities of my country promoting a whisky, almost every weekend, for two months.

That means that we had to travel from 2hs to almost 8hs and that we all spent a whole weekend together.

There were two boys, one that didn't care about music, the other one wasn't into electronica, but the two girls were into it.

I took some of my music with me, trying just to carry the one that's better for "common" ears. One of the girls kept asking me names, sometimes because she liked it, sometimes because she was just curious. The other girl kept asking me to take that "weird" music away, and then she put some trance or techno CD.

But more important, they all agree that I'm the guy of the group that listens to strange weird music.



And about IDM, well, one time while this girl was complaining "your weird music once again?!", I decided to show her how "bad" it could be. So I grabbed a CD, rised the volume, told the other guys that it was going to take too long and that I was sorry for what was going to happen, but I had to show her that things could be "worse". I put the CD in, and played it, Aphex Twin - Ventolin.

Of course, after that they were all saying that THAT was weird, and me too. X-D



In my CD case I was carrying things like FSOL, The Prodigy, Chem Bros, Aphrodite, Crystal Method, Basement Jaxx, Overseer, Apollo 440, Atari Teenage Riot, Ulrich Schnauss, Buddha Sounds, Fluke, Pendulum, Boards of Canada and some DnB compilations.

Look At this

GLAKO-FAHN Escribi�:

Csar Escribi�:

Anyways, putting an artist into any category is always a bit plain eventually.

Csar Escribi�:

Look At this

GLAKO-FAHN Escribi�:

Csar Escribi�:

Anyways, putting an artist into any category is always a bit plain eventually.

:-// I know, I read that, I'm sorry it's just I was annoyed by the comment about big beat having such versatility. It's like saying -- to be slightly inaccurate -- that the cat family has so much potential and versatility because the properties in it can be used in so many different ways, even if these properties are simply the arrangement of limbs. they exist elsewhere, they simply combine to do different things...

that was a very poor analogy, hmm....



what I mean to say is that despite the convenience of defining, so to speak, artists one can not make the argument that this definition -- suppose 'big beat' -- can be stretched by whatever this artist does. to suggest that 'big beat' is expanding where one of its major components is trying something new is silly. likewise to suggest that its nature of reworked jazz and rock samples (among many others, of course) reflects on anything else which does the same in a very different way. consider the old breakdown at the end of block rockin beats in the live set (DYOH tour era). it's a jazz sample, but the way it is employed is very interesting -- the juxtaposed crashing in from a major build up. it is characteristically big beat. however, it's use elsewhere, while the same sound and sample could become some funky pete rock hip hop or amon tobin dnb...



I don't think that all was exactly what I wanted to say

Dude, GLAKO - you know I always thought you're one smart kid. 8)

Thanks Whirly for It Doesn't Matter!! Fuck, how I hate that fuckin pretentious geek term IDM. Thank u again!

JacksRevenge Escribi�:

Thanks Whirly for It Doesn't Matter!! Fuck, how I hate that fuckin pretentious geek term IDM. Thank u again!

X-D I bet that if that "I" had another meaning, many of you wouldn't be complaining about IDM. :D