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#1 Afro88   User is offline

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 1:41 AM

I heard that the track "It Doesn't Matter" came from a gig they played where their hard drive failed and they lost all their sequences, leaving them only with their synths and samples. Apparently in the 10 mins before the gig, they programmed in the drums/bass and they stuffed around with the "It Doesn't Matter" vocal in the sampler live on stage. Apparently the track went for 20 mins too 8O



Does anyone know if this is true? I'm pretty sure I read it in magazine many years ago...

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 2:17 AM

That doesnt sound too farfetched 8O

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 4:48 AM

flashbacks of clocks..... thank you

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 11:54 AM

i dunno what to make of this, does anyone know if this is true. Its a good tune so i wouldnt imagine they would of made it up on the spot just b4 a gig.

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 4:26 PM

The sample is cleared on the DYOH Credits, it comes from some record whose name I don't remember (it has "Lothar" in it?) So I presume that if this story is true, they already had the sample ready somewhere and they intended to play some kind of live improvistaion with it anyway...



It's not like they sampled "it doesn't matter" right in purpose of proving that it didn't matter if they had lost the sequences...I dunno



I think we might have heard about it befoe if this was true, but ,hey, it's still possible anyway...

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 6:49 PM

It sounds a bit far fetched to me too

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 7:38 PM

Sounds possible. I've got a copy of the Lothar and the Hand People album with the song "It Doesn't Come Anyhow" and the song isn't really anything but the vocal sample and theremin skullfuckery (Lothar was the band's theremin. Think 60's psychedelic Hootie & the Blowfish.)

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 8:28 PM

I love that song. So much.

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 10:20 PM

I can see that, the song is so "live", you can just feel it. It's got that kind of - "What shall we do now? I know, let's try that". Which is great, it's a very raw song, and you can't get much more raw than music on-the-fly!



The version on DYOH (or even EBW1, for that matter) won't be a recording from that set, but it's entirely possible that some or a lot of the song was improvisation at some point. HBHG has been in their sets in one form or another since 1996!

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 10:40 PM

I downloaded just some minutes ago this Lothar's track :) It's old instrumental piece.Veery weird...But it conatain only this vocal. Nothing more with human voice. Very interesting. BTW anybody know the title (titles?) of track from wchich they sampled for Elektrobank????I'am veeery very curious about the samples for it. If anyone know, tell me please!!! It's roumor that they used about 200 samples on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 01 February 2005 - 1:11 AM

well ture or not, its a great rumour!!!
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 7:26 AM

from what i know of the gear they use:totally concievable. however, it would require that they only lost their sequencing data, and not their samples. heres how it would work: pre show, sequence drum loop (easy.. IDM has a really simple drum loop.), the vocal sample into some sort of loop sample hooked up to two delays, and then program the other percussive noise that is heard into a synth hooked up to a drum trigger. controlling a mixer, playing the drum trigger, and tweaking the speed of the delays on the vocal, ed would start the show. meanwhile, tom sequences the rest of the act on the MPC.....



needless to say it would have been a set with alot of ambient synth mischief.



wait... doesnt ed sometimes use a drum trigger on IDM anyways?

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Posted 01 February 2005 - 9:23 AM

The drum trigger seems to have been recently added to the rig. I doubt they had one before DYOH.



Dunno about IDM, but I've seen Ed using it on Out of Control. (although with all the effects frenzy it was quit hard to track down what he was playing anyway)

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Posted 01 February 2005 - 1:46 PM

Forget delays on the vocal, I expect they sliced the vocal up, then played the slices with pads on something like the MPC or even a MIDI keyboard. The song is so simple and powerful, that it could have been conceived live very easily. One would do the sequencing, and the other would tweak the effects (like that loud filter sweep over the drum roll), and do the mixing.



The tour would have been pre-DYOH, or It Doesn't Matter would have already been written.

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Posted 01 February 2005 - 6:54 PM

Wow, that's wicked
He put on a turn-down collar, a black bow, and wore his Sunday tail-coat. As such, he looked spruce, and what his clothes would not do, his instinct for making the most of his good looks would.

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Posted 02 February 2005 - 1:13 AM

chemicalfan Escribi�:

Forget delays on the vocal, I expect they sliced the vocal up, then played the slices with pads on something like the MPC or even a MIDI keyboard. The song is so simple and powerful, that it could have been conceived live very easily. One would do the sequencing, and the other would tweak the effects (like that loud filter sweep over the drum roll), and do the mixing.




Could work... but I reckon they repeatedly trigger the vocal sample while changing the sample start time. You can do this on an mpc2000xl (or an s2000) - go into trim and change the sample start position. Any external midi device can retrigger the sample. One way it could work is to hold down "tap" on the mpc, play the pad that sends out a note to the s2000 and change the sample start position in there.



With my setup I can load a vocal sample into my mpc, put on the arpeggiator on my k5000 and get it to repeatedly trigger just one note. Then I go into trim, select "start", hold down shift and move the note var slider to change the sample start position. Gives me the exact same effect 8)



Back to the rumour, I think it's plausible because it's a pretty simple track. Most groups have ideas they're toying around with. They could have been like "right, we'll program a simple beat on the mpc using these samples we've been playing around with, sequence that massive kick drum sample for later on, play some fx on the synths over the top and toy around with that vocal effect we've been looking at too".



Obviously it would have been much different to the album version, very very rough, but it's definitely plausible. Sometimes awesome tracks really do just come out of nowhere like that. I'm sure they weren't expecting anything like that! Just something to tie them over till the backup disks arrived or something.

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Posted 02 February 2005 - 1:14 AM

Just a note on that vocal effect: you've gotta make sure the sample is set to cut itself off. As in, when it's retriggered the sampler doesn't play a new sample, but restarts the old one.

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Posted 02 February 2005 - 8:08 AM

I'am not sure if this track is "simple". It just SOUND SIMPLE!!!But it's really complicated and this vocal sampling is really big and complicated work of chems!!!!

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Posted 02 February 2005 - 8:11 AM

of course its not simple, its insane. however, in the live context, its something that would be relatively simple to create. the fact that its atonal helps alot in this department.

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Posted 02 February 2005 - 10:39 AM

Did anyone catch the live version of IDM at any recent chems gigs? absolutely mad. That bass is a killer isnt it? Very similar to Under the Influence in terms of,... wel, power.



i reckon i'd go as far as to say that IDM is my 2nd favourite chemical brothers song. Those who know me, no prizes for guessing #1.

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