TheFlamingDead_ Escribi�:

whirlygirl Escribi�:

But is being popular always a bad thing, FlamingDead? If a song or album gets attention, do the songs not remain the same? The Chems are not above reproach - music is subversive - but is critical acclaim for any artist whether it be from the media or the masses, always a bad thing?



I wouldn't care if everyone and their grandmother woke up tomorrow and decided they were Chemical Brothers' fans. OK, that's pushing it. This place would get a little crowded.

I'm most ceratinly not saying being popular is a bad thing. If you're asking that to anyone, it should be Jeanie.

Gotchya! 8) I see what you're saying. I'm kind of in a funk this evening and I didn't mean to snap. I was just hoping this wouldn't turn into one of those "Chems are pop and they have sold out" kind of dealies.



*waits with baited breath for Slipvin to make another appearance*

soundertow Escribi�:

I think PTB is a good counter-example to this:

Bosco Escribi�:

There's the people who make music for "music", and there's the people who make music for money.

I view PTB as the end result from people who make music for "music" but also carefully calculate the product's market potential.

I think this train of thought is on the mark. And if one stops to think about this album beyond how we think of the songs and how the songs make us feel - this is the kind of feat that can be hard to pull off for any artist.

whirlygirl Escribi�:

TheFlamingDead_ Escribi�:

whirlygirl Escribi�:

But is being popular always a bad thing, FlamingDead? If a song or album gets attention, do the songs not remain the same? The Chems are not above reproach - music is subversive - but is critical acclaim for any artist whether it be from the media or the masses, always a bad thing?



I wouldn't care if everyone and their grandmother woke up tomorrow and decided they were Chemical Brothers' fans. OK, that's pushing it. This place would get a little crowded.

I'm most ceratinly not saying being popular is a bad thing. If you're asking that to anyone, it should be Jeanie.

Gotchya! 8) I see what you're saying. I'm kind of in a funk this evening and I didn't mean to snap. I was just hoping this wouldn't turn into one of those "Chems are pop and they have sold out" kind of dealies.



*waits with baited breath for Slipvin to make another appearance*

*mx goes to his basement, wheres Slipvin is tied to a chair without food and water and galvanize at max volume, and everytime he says: "ZOMG PTB IS POPOOOULARZ IT SUXX!!!!!"... mx kick him in the balls*

whirlygirl Escribi�:

soundertow Escribi�:

I think PTB is a good counter-example to this:

Bosco Escribi�:

There's the people who make music for "music", and there's the people who make music for money.

I view PTB as the end result from people who make music for "music" but also carefully calculate the product's market potential.

I think this train of thought is on the mark. And if one stops to think about this album beyond how we think of the songs and how the songs make us feel - this is the kind of feat that can be hard to pull off for any artist.

I think the chems are better off not worrying about the marketing aspect of an album.

TheFlamingDead_ Escribi�:

whirlygirl Escribi�:

But is being popular always a bad thing, FlamingDead? If a song or album gets attention, do the songs not remain the same? The Chems are not above reproach - music is subversive - but is critical acclaim for any artist whether it be from the media or the masses, always a bad thing?



I wouldn't care if everyone and their grandmother woke up tomorrow and decided they were Chemical Brothers' fans. OK, that's pushing it. This place would get a little crowded.

I'm most ceratinly not saying being popular is a bad thing. If you're asking that to anyone, it should be Jeanie.

Ha.

The answer is.

No - Populair is not a bad thing. And i f i remember correctly , i never said that either.

I dont loike it when people say " I am anit- commercial " because commercial can be good too. IMO. But that wasn't my point , Flaming Dead , Was it ;)

i agree with however said different people getting different things out of music. i guess to some people its background sound, something to drift them along while their in their car or have on at work. they maybe dont go to gigs or 'music' clubbing (by that i mean going to see dj's and have a dance rather than to get pissed and try and pull) that often.



for other people it becomes an unhealthy obsession X-D, a lifestyle choice. maybe they get something more from music than they do other things.



contrary to popular belief, im not actually a music nazi - there's music i dont like or doesnt move me at all, and i may well take the piss out of people who do, but taste is taste is taste. it would be very dull if we all liked the same thing. i just have strong opinions thats all ;) :P and i def don't limit myself to the underground schnizzle - i like all sorts of shit that music bods think is awful. on a simillar tip a good friend of mine was slating 'da vinci code' by dan brown - 'oh i dont do dan brown, that sell out mother fucker' and im like oh ok, have u read it? and she said 'no! i dont need to read it!' and that to me is just cultural snobbishness - because somethings popular i cant like it. as it happens i dont think it was that well written, but hey it was a good yarn, and it killed a few hours of my time.



i think nick hornby puts it well in hi-fideltiy - he's talking to his missus and berating her for liking something that doesnt fit into his scope of what good music is and she says 'well, i like it, its got a pretty tune and i can hum along with it. i dont care if its not as good as some version done 20 years ago or not. whats wrong with that?'

Bosco Escribi�:

whirlygirl Escribi�:

soundertow Escribi�:

I think PTB is a good counter-example to this:

Bosco Escribi�:

There's the people who make music for "music", and there's the people who make music for money.

I view PTB as the end result from people who make music for "music" but also carefully calculate the product's market potential.

I think this train of thought is on the mark. And if one stops to think about this album beyond how we think of the songs and how the songs make us feel - this is the kind of feat that can be hard to pull off for any artist.

I think the chems are better off not worrying about the marketing aspect of an album.

But here's the thing - I wholeheartedly believe they made an album that they wanted to make which happened to appeal to a large, even more diverse market than their previous albums. I never said this "marketing" was intentional although I can see how what I said could be misconstrued as such. I really think things just fell into place, sort of like how a band creates an album that weathers the ages, becomes a classic - it just sort of happens and when it does it's a nice surprise. Measuring the success of Push The Button in the US with very, very little pimpage from Astralwerks, I think it was a matter timing, luck and the fact that there are a wide range of songs that in turn have a wide range of appeal.

Why do people start using so difficult words when their in discussion mode ?! Hahahahaa. I'll have my dictionary ready.



As for PTB - I think the Chems are such respected artist already they dont have to worry about marketing. Offcourse , with every new album comes martketing , thats normal. But i think the Chems shouldnt have to worry about it too much as a new artist , because they already have a name.



As for the whole commercial thing , it's like mips says on msn " i guess what their syaing is that without no commercial music there'd be no underground music " this , is very true. Thats a aspect i didnt look at yet. I have to think about this one....



Anyway , all of the points being discussed now was not what i meant in my original post , BUT , i'm very happy because it's all very intresting topics.



My original point was that i personaly don't believe in many of the reasons WHY populair music is populair. Offcourse , thats the way it is. I agree thats the world we live in , and that without this marketing shit some of the music i listen to would never have made it big. I agree with all of the things ya'll said - but my point is , it just makes me sad that people like music for the video's the songs has , video's i think are more like fucking porn movie's. Or music that is populair because the rapper was shot in his chest 5 times. Or music that is populair because girls feel attracted to a 5 girls singing ( i mean - MOANING ) stuff that i would be embarresed for my mum to hear. I know this is the way it is , unfortunatly . And yeah there are zillions of people out there who think the way i do. Who buy a record because it's just a fantastic record altough nobody has heard fuck all about this artist.



And yeah , MTV...a whole different chapter. Music TeleVision right ?! " Can't get a Date " " The Real World " " Punk'd " " Hogan Knows Best "



Music Television ? Give me a fucking break.

Even James Blunt comes closer to music than MTV.

First bad word is MTV.



It used to be a great channel some years ago.

It had dedicated programs for each kind of music.



Ozono = IDM, experimental, ambient, abstract

Mastermix = "dance" music

Mondofonk = rap & hip-hop

Raizonica = south american groups

Rendez-Vu = "sexy" music

Headbangers = heavy metal

Nacion Alternativa = alternative music

Conexion = program that interacted with people

Top 20



Now I turn the TV on, watch MTV and from like 11am to 4pm it's just full of "reality shows" and teen shit. No videos at all.

All the videos that you can watch are the pop, and all the argentinian groups.

Just as an example, first time I met Aphex Twin was wathing MTV's Ozono, I haven't seen any other Aphex Twin video since Ozono disappeared.

They don't even play the Chem Bros, they just barely do.





I don't really care what other people like or not, and I don't care if they listen to that shit.

Whenever I want to hear some new music, I ask for recomendations or I try to download compilations of a certain kind of music that I like, just to get some new names.

Many times people say that I listen "weird" music.

whirlygirl Escribi�:

Bosco Escribi�:

whirlygirl Escribi�:

soundertow Escribi�:

I think PTB is a good counter-example to this:

Bosco Escribi�:

There's the people who make music for "music", and there's the people who make music for money.

I view PTB as the end result from people who make music for "music" but also carefully calculate the product's market potential.

I think this train of thought is on the mark. And if one stops to think about this album beyond how we think of the songs and how the songs make us feel - this is the kind of feat that can be hard to pull off for any artist.

I think the chems are better off not worrying about the marketing aspect of an album.

But here's the thing - I wholeheartedly believe they made an album that they wanted to make which happened to appeal to a large, even more diverse market than their previous albums. I never said this "marketing" was intentional although I can see how what I said could be misconstrued as such. I really think things just fell into place, sort of like how a band creates an album that weathers the ages, becomes a classic - it just sort of happens and when it does it's a nice surprise. Measuring the success of Push The Button in the US with very, very little pimpage from Astralwerks, I think it was a matter timing, luck and the fact that there are a wide range of songs that in turn have a wide range of appeal.

Im starting to wonder if that might have been requested by the chems so they wouldnt have to make a US tour last year.

Bosco Escribi�:

whirlygirl Escribi�:

Measuring the success of Push The Button in the US with very, very little pimpage from Astralwerks, I think it was a matter timing, luck and the fact that there are a wide range of songs that in turn have a wide range of appeal.

Im starting to wonder if that might have been requested by the chems so they wouldnt have to make a US tour last year.

I'm not so sure, I don't really know if that was the Chems' doing or Astralwerks. A few years ago Astralwerks sort of reworked their roster, their format to expand what type of music they were signing - they started moving away from being the label that they were known for in an attempt to adapt with the shifts in the masses' interests. While the Chems (imo) are definitely one of their leading artists, fast forward a few years later to Push The Button and there was very little promoting going on compared to previous years. They took a street approach to promotions and called on Chems fans to apply for promo packets so they could spread the word. Either Astralwerks dropped the ball and underestimated Push The Button's success, or they had complete faith that the product would sell itself. Either way, the album was a success and I hope for the same the next time around.



On that note I've read that the Chems have sort of been there, done that with the US and they aren't interested in conquering America which is fair enough - they are older and have families and they are in a different place in life than they were years ago. To tour here is a massive undertaking. Maybe, because touring is a business, the option to endlessly tour the US wouldn't be lucrative. I wish I knew. It was a real disappointment to get the newsletters from Astralwerks saying that "more US dates are coming, be patient!" only to wait and wait and not have those dates materialize. I can't blame the Chems for this, maybe the decision was out of their control, but those newsletters were a real tease.

I can imagine that must suck.

Weather the Chems have something to do with it or not , i don't know.

Like you said Whirly , touring is a bussines. You cannot make everybody happy first of all ...



I DO think the US is not the Chems fave place to play.

Jeanie Escribi�:

I DO think the US is not the Chems fave place to play.

there is only one way for me to fix that.....



I gotta move to Europe 8O

Bosco Escribi�:

Jeanie Escribi�:

I DO think the US is not the Chems fave place to play.

there is only one way for me to fix that.....



I gotta move to Europe 8O

If I could, I'd live at Brixton Academy's next door...

Bosco Escribi�:

Jeanie Escribi�:

I DO think the US is not the Chems fave place to play.

there is only one way for me to fix that.....



I gotta move to Europe 8O

...Wait.

So, um. You'll make the Chems like the U.S. MORE by moving to Europe??

Err, what praytell do you plan to DO to accomplish this? Sabotage concerts? Throw bottles?

:? :?

;-)

TheFlamingDead_ Escribi�:

Bosco Escribi�:

Jeanie Escribi�:

I DO think the US is not the Chems fave place to play.

there is only one way for me to fix that.....



I gotta move to Europe 8O

...Wait.

So, um. You'll make the Chems like the U.S. MORE by moving to Europe??

Err, what praytell do you plan to DO to accomplish this? Sabotage concerts? Throw bottles?

:? :?

;-)

no,no, nothing like that, im just moving to Europe because America is turning to crap (hence why Tom and Ed probablly dont like it here) and ill be able to finally get a nice dose of live chemicals

Bosco Escribi�:

TheFlamingDead_ Escribi�:

Bosco Escribi�:

Jeanie Escribi�:

I DO think the US is not the Chems fave place to play.

there is only one way for me to fix that.....



I gotta move to Europe 8O

...Wait.

So, um. You'll make the Chems like the U.S. MORE by moving to Europe??

Err, what praytell do you plan to DO to accomplish this? Sabotage concerts? Throw bottles?

:? :?

;-)

no,no, nothing like that, im just moving to Europe because America is turning to crap (hence why Tom and Ed probablly dont like it here) and ill be able to finally get a nice dose of live chemicals

Well still, that not fixing it, now is it?

:P

TheFlamingDead_ Escribi�:

Bosco Escribi�:

TheFlamingDead_ Escribi�:

Bosco Escribi�:

Jeanie Escribi�:

I DO think the US is not the Chems fave place to play.

there is only one way for me to fix that.....



I gotta move to Europe 8O

...Wait.

So, um. You'll make the Chems like the U.S. MORE by moving to Europe??

Err, what praytell do you plan to DO to accomplish this? Sabotage concerts? Throw bottles?

:? :?

;-)

no,no, nothing like that, im just moving to Europe because America is turning to crap (hence why Tom and Ed probablly dont like it here) and ill be able to finally get a nice dose of live chemicals

Well still, that not fixing it, now is it?

:P

im fixing it for myself! }:-) ......However, your welcomed to join me in jumping across the pond.

Bosco Escribi�:

TheFlamingDead_ Escribi�:

Bosco Escribi�:

TheFlamingDead_ Escribi�:

Bosco Escribi�:

Jeanie Escribi�:

I DO think the US is not the Chems fave place to play.

there is only one way for me to fix that.....



I gotta move to Europe 8O

...Wait.

So, um. You'll make the Chems like the U.S. MORE by moving to Europe??

Err, what praytell do you plan to DO to accomplish this? Sabotage concerts? Throw bottles?

:? :?

;-)

no,no, nothing like that, im just moving to Europe because America is turning to crap (hence why Tom and Ed probablly dont like it here) and ill be able to finally get a nice dose of live chemicals

Well still, that not fixing it, now is it?

:P

im fixing it for myself! }:-) ......However, your welcomed to join me in jumping across the pond.

Trust me, I'd love to. It's not gonna happen for a looong time though.

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''Music Makes You Loose Control.....'' 8)