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#41 ACIDCHILDREN   User is offline

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Posted 17 January 2005 - 4:47 PM

Havnt herd Left right yet so cant comment.



I agree with you comments about Galvanise shan. However at first i was unsure about this tune, i think its a def grown on me.



Im sure Galvanise live will be a highlight on the tour coming up and will def prove how good this track is.

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Posted 17 January 2005 - 4:50 PM

I hate rap, because i take the example for the polish rap - You know, 5 or more 20 year old kids are talking about this, how the life is shiting and mad, and how the life touch them and something about that shit. I hate this, thay are talking like thay know ANYTHING about life!!!This fuck me up and pissing!! If i MUST listen to rap, i would like to non-polish rap, becouse i realyy hate understanding what about thay are singin. When thay singing about english, this is not as bad, beacuse i'am not focussed at lirycs but on music better. :)

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Posted 17 January 2005 - 5:08 PM

thesouphead, nicely put there.



I remember quite clearly you were the wise man who once said, a long time ago on a vmg list far far away, that "music is music no matter how it's made."



I think it is unfortunate that people can't put their prejudices aside when it comes to rap. I know it can be bombastic and that can be overbearing for some, I know there's a lot of shitty rap out there that's about bitches and hos (then again, isn't there shit in any kind of music?) but why people refuse to recognize it as a valid art form with something real and important to say is just... well, I say to those people you may be missing out on something really cool.



Maybe try to listen to some of the stuff that's influenced the Chems, for a start. If anything it could give you a new perspective on their music. That's always a plus!
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Posted 17 January 2005 - 5:14 PM

equinoxe24 Escribi�:

I hate rap, because i take the example for the polish rap - You know, 5 or more 20 year old kids are talking about this, how the life is shiting and mad, and how the life touch them and something about that shit. I hate this, thay are talking like thay know ANYTHING about life!!!This fuck me up and pissing!! If i MUST listen to rap, i would like to non-polish rap, becouse i realyy hate understanding what about thay are singin. When thay singing about english, this is not as bad, beacuse i'am not focussed at lirycs but on music better. :)




Lyrics shouldn't be overlooked like. Often, the message is more powerful than the music. What would John Lennon's "Imagine" be without the message? Those lyrics have inspired people for decades. The words have taught many people the meaning of tolerence and peace.....that we should all live as one. Without that message, Imagine is just a good tune to play on the piano. With the message, it is a movement.

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Posted 17 January 2005 - 5:17 PM

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Lyrics shouldn't be overlooked like. Often, the message is more powerful than the music. What would John Lennon's "Imagine" be without the message? Those lyrics have inspired people for decades. The words have taught many people the meaning of tolerence and peace.....that we should all live as one. Without that message, Imagine is just a good tune to play on the piano. With the message, it is a movement.




Damn souphead! are you like, a member od Mensa or something?

well said...

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Posted 17 January 2005 - 7:05 PM

i'am fucking any meaning of lirycs in music. For me music is enjoying, not a combination how to leave. I take example for myself ONLY. In music ther are lirycs wchich are usid by artist. This mean artist has those vision, not another. This is it.

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Posted 17 January 2005 - 7:23 PM

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i'am fucking any meaning of lirycs in music. For me music is enjoying, not a combination how to leave. I take example for myself ONLY. In music ther are lirycs wchich are usid by artist. This mean artist has those vision, not another. This is it.




artists colab......that is what Tom and Ed wanted. Different visions coming together. Going back to the Beatles, some of thebest pieces of music ever created were formed from different visions from two or three or four different people. Lennon and McCartney combined their visions together and changed the world. A change so great, it has even been a major reason source, catalyist and muse for the two guys this entire forum was created for.

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Posted 17 January 2005 - 7:37 PM

equinoxe24 Escribi�:

I hate rap, because i take the example for the polish rap




there's a hilarious, politically incorrect joke in there somewhere....



But I love left right..... I love the politics.... Frankly, I think any and every song by anyone would be improved if the lyrics 'Fuck Bush' were worked in somewhere.

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Posted 17 January 2005 - 8:09 PM

toomuch'stash Escribi�:

equinoxe24 Escribi�:

I hate rap, because i take the example for the polish rap




there's a hilarious, politically incorrect joke in there somewhere....



But I love left right..... I love the politics.... Frankly, I think any and every song by anyone would be improved if the lyrics 'Fuck Bush' were worked in somewhere.




agreed 100%

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 2:05 AM

figured I would add this post in here......I actually thought I was posting in this thread when I posted it..haha





Thesouphead Escribi�:

Alchemist Escribi�:

That song is just wrong- a politicaly inspired rap on Chems album!?, which chemical fan wants to hear that?







I want to hear that. It works for me on so many different levels.



WARNING - the following has some Left Right spoilers.....





1.) the lyrics are dead on. leaders who start wars simply because they can for whatever reason/agenda without making sure their case is solid and without making sure it was the last resort should have the finger pointed at them. they should be called out. it is obivous that the mainstream media isn't going to do it, so then it is also obvious that other people in the public eye would have to bring the issues to light. the lyrics in htis song relate to one of the most important events in my lifetime. i appreciate the chemcial brothers and anwar letting the other people like me know we are not alone when we think like this.



2.) this "rap" song is taking things back to the way it used to be. when rap groups used to have a message. think about the things Public Enemy used to say. Hip hop and rap used to be about two main things. getting a message out and or just coming together and having a good time. (The chems hit both these targets with PTB. see Left Right and Galvanize.)



3.) if this had been a standard rap tune with a standard hip hop beat, it still would have been a good track. Anwar's flows are very fluid.."don't matter what sides wrong or right......some incent lives will be lost on the battle-field tonight...."



4.) back to the message of it all. one line speaks a hard truth that asks a question that we all really need to think about. "if it is so important for us to fight for mankind.....why I don't see none of their kin-folk out there on that front line." If it was so important for the US to go to war, why didn't we see Dick Cheney's daughter join the Marines? Why didn't we see the Bush twins join the Army? If we were under such a grave threat and we were at the las tresort, surely it would have been time for our leaders and their families to stand up and put their money where their mouth was. This would be the time where a leader and protector would lay his body on the line to save his people. That didn't happen. Instead, it was those from the "wrong side of town" who were loaded onto the planes and shipped of the the hot hell hole of war.



5.) this isn't a standard hip hop tune. this has Chemical Brothers written all over it. Some sounds might be throw backs to the older days, while other sounds are certainly fresh and new. At one point, a sound comes in that sounds's like it might be a sample from a weapon going off. <---can you say hello..I remember a sound just like you in a track called "electrobank". Then you also have this psychedelic sound that is playing through out. Kinda sounds like some late 60's ealry 70's acid funk guitar. Maybe the bros put this in here to as a nod or to show that our generation is going through the same thing that happened 30 plus years ago. War? ....or maybe just because it sounds so god damn good? We also have what sounds like a real bass guitar going. Not only does it sound good and fit the track, but it appeals to those who don't normally listen to electronic music. Not talking about on a commercial level, but on a "musican's level". I have so many friends who play guitar and it is so hard for them to feel EDM because they are just so used to listening to the gutiars in songs. When they hear a track without guitar, it sort of throws them for a loop. They find it a little bit harder to get into the track. Now this isn't because they are closed minded or anything like that, it is simply because they have spent the last 15 years working on their craft and they simply are just used to focusing in on those guitar riffs. I tell them that should see this as a gift while they tell me it is a curse. Okay, kinda went on with but I think you get my point. There is an element of real "hands on" musicianship(<--is that word?).





6.) here we are back to the massage again. Anwar begins to speak to us all. He calls upon all nations(not literely..but it is certainly an understood theme) to stand up. This in my opinion is to say that we are all equal(as lennon said....."we can all live as one"). this is the message that I have tried to get out as I go about my everyday life...weather it is about nationalty, religion, race or whatever. Fuck it. We all fucking bleed, we all fucking love and we all feel emotion. We all are the same. Things would be so much better if we all could just realize it. It would be nice if our leaders understood this. I m a g i n e.







7.) hmmmm......back to the music. so that bass gutiar I was speaking about. It ends up turning into a driving bass line that has a cChemical feel to it. All the while there are many sounds buzzing and moving around the sound scape. They are somewhat subtle and non-abrassive. You might not even realize they are there until you have heard the track numerous times. This would be the magic that I spoke of earlier in this thread. Sorry, but there just isn't any other "rap" out there like this. If there is, please enlighten me.



8.) so, I wa sable to have a PTB listening party in my friends basement on a badass sound system. We all got drunk and also endulged in the AK. We had a blast and everybody in the room loved this album. I mean they flat out loved it. I knew some tracks would go down quit well with them like Believe, but I was thinking that the least enjoyed tune would be "Left Right. I thoguht this because most of those guys don't listen to too much hip hop. They do listen to it, they just listen to other genres more. We all passed out after listening to the album. The next day, when /i woke up..we all began to discuss PTB. To my surprise, many of them said that Left Right was the stand out track of the night.



8.5) My wife works with one of my really good friends. She gave him her copy of PTB to borrow the other day. He came to work the next day and when they discussed the album, he said his favorite track at the moment wa "Lef Right". He is also one of those guys who likes hip-hop, but usually listens to other styles. It was the 70's funk thing that really captured his attention.





now...my thoughts on the track may be way off, but it is the way I hear it and that means the most to me. this track effects me in a certain way and that is all I can ask or hope for really.......... : )







****please also note that I am typing with my left hand only(I am right handed) and I have also taken two pain killers. This post was even more of an effort that you first realized. I do love the Chems. cheers!


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Posted 18 January 2005 - 6:49 AM

I still can't believe you posted that all with your left hand.



You are definitely one of the hardcore!!



At any rate I hope your right hand will be able to contribute to more thoughts on Push the Button soon!
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Posted 25 January 2005 - 4:50 PM

So has it grown on most of you yet? I loved it from the start and I still do. It would work as an instrumental too, I think it'd be beautiful live.
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Posted 25 January 2005 - 4:52 PM

i really liked it from my first listen. love if a instrumental is released.

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Posted 25 January 2005 - 6:01 PM

Still not sure about it. It reminds me of faithless tracks cause its making a potical message which they do alot. Im suprized that the Chems are useing there music to send out this kind of message.

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Posted 25 January 2005 - 6:12 PM

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i really liked it from my first listen. love if a instrumental is released.




dont you think it would be a bit dull. i mean the vocal is the whole focal point of the tune take that away and you haven't got much. the tune works as it is, it wouldn't work without the vocal
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Posted 25 January 2005 - 10:10 PM

I love this track, I think it has one of the best intros - that almost demonic pulsing....left...right....left...right....left...right. 8O 8)

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Posted 25 January 2005 - 10:13 PM

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i really liked it from my first listen. love if a instrumental is released.




dont you think it would be a bit dull. i mean the vocal is the whole focal point of the tune take that away and you haven't got much. the tune works as it is, it wouldn't work without the vocal




I disagree, I think the music stands out on it's own. It's beautiful! The lyrics just add another layer to an already well made song.
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Posted 25 January 2005 - 10:18 PM

everytime I listen to it recently, I try to focus on the music and ignore the vocals, just to see if I can 'hear' what it would be like without them... I think it would be pretty fricken cool.

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Posted 26 January 2005 - 5:24 AM

I pretty much agree with sneaker on this one.



The message is clear: Anwar Superstar is pissed, and the world's gonna hear about it. There is real passion and anger in his voice. I think this is probably the one song (other than *maybe* Not Another Drugstore) - that I can think of right this second - the Chems have done where they had a fairly simple melody that's there for one reason: to showcase the voice.



I'm not saying that the vocal element cancels out the melody and other stuff going on - I'd say the elements are more symbiotic than anything else.



Obviously the message is clear with the voice, but I also think the Chems did quite a job by giving their synths an angry voice too, and made them speak. Those explosions really added to the tone of the song, and the effect is quite powerful.
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Posted 26 January 2005 - 7:45 AM

Well, there's enough people defending Left Right to make me want to give it another chance. Just not quite yet, it's a bit early for my neighbours. ;-)



I've never hated Left Right anyway, it just hadn't grabbed me quite as much as the other tracks.
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