So today, i realized why i hardly pop into forums any more....

A forum is really about discussion and problem solving. Not flaming some moron because he is in fact, a moron. Who cares if Do It Again is minimal?! So was Lost in the K-Hole. More like psychedelic minimalism, but i dont think determining which chem track belongs to which genre is really important to anyone.

Can you honestly place yourself into a clique of people? And do you like being part of that singled out group?

Why is it important to degrade the Brothers' "children" as i like to call their tracks, into something that fits into your small reality seperate from everyone elses? Because you think your special and the tracks were made for you, right?

Well music is the soundtrack to each and every one of our lives. Im a producer myself, but im not opt to share with anyone thats not near to me. I live through sound and vibrations, but that doesnt mean i have to destroy everyone elses structure of beliefs by letting them know im better than them.

If Tom and Ed really did visit this forum as Milico or whatever, id bet they are disappointed in most of their so called "fans". I would be. Id make the music for myself, and just tour. The real fans will be at the shows instead of nagging back in forth at one another like we're a dysfunctional family.

On some level we are family. You have rita who's the annoying little step-child and slipvin, who thinks he's God's pet hampster so worship him. And then you have everyone else, who, because they have more albums and singles than you, they pwn joo ass.

Everyone here, whether they like it or not, loves the chems. I wouldnt go to a Simple Plan forum and waste my time punching kids in the face. Life isnt about wasting time, unless youre about wasting life, if thats the case, do yourself a favor.

If you've taken the time to read all this, you might be listening to me, and i continue...

The chemical brothers, are not big beat, they are not psychedelic rock, they are not trance or anysort. They are Chemical Music. Chemical Sounds. Chemical Spine-Tingling Vibrations. They are a sensation, a feeling. Don't waste time trying to explain the non-physical using physical terms. It just can't be done. Yes you can pick up the frequencies on a ocsilloscope, but can you pick up the hairs standing up on the back of your neck? Pure mind altering music.

Life is not worth living without music. I surround myself in it, whether its producing, listening, experiencing, or imagining. It appeals to all senses, even smell if your at a show and you smell something danky or someone ranky. You can even allow your brain to produce those smells, living in your mind.

The chemical brothers have opened my mind, but they are in no way God, well i suppose it depends if you have a Western or Eastern idea of God. They are travellers like all of us, sharing a vision of pure imagination and harmonic frequencies moving over intricuit textures, spiralling into nasty beats. It's just good clean fun if you ask me!

Okay, that was my Friday morning rant. :):)

im interested to read comments...

.mikey

you brought up some good points only one that doesn't bode with me is "The real fans will be at the shows instead of nagging back in forth at one another like we're a dysfunctional family."

you're saying the people who post here aren't real fans as we should be at shows . the regular posters here between us have been at hundreds of chemcals gigs some including sneakerbeater who has seen them over 40 times and other's like darkstarexodus who travelled a few thousands miles just to see the chemicals so there not real fans cause there on the forum have discussions.this place would be boring if it wasn't dysfunctional it would be sterile and boring.

no no, by no means am i saying that the forum-goers are not real fans. I said the real fans WILL be at the shows, in argument of "who has more cds than who". None of that means shit, more to the record company than the bros. i havent been to a show, cause im not 21 yet, will be in august tho. I will be at the show when they come to Illinois in september+ (hopefully, around then). I've missed a few shows, cause the venue wont allow the youngins in and require ID. I missed sasha & digweed, oakenfold, and the bros on 4/20 of....03? i cant remember what year it was, but i was very VERY pissed off to miss that.

So what youre saying is, the World would be very boring if it wasnt dysfuntional? as in, functioning incorrectly and attacking one-another? it wouldnt be boring if everyone got along and talked about good things and did good things for people? we have to be at each other's throats in order for it to be a little "less boring"?

hm. sounds logical.

Can't say I agree with everything you said; as irishfan said, real fans wouldn't talk on the internenet board of their favourite band? Seems a tad strange....

Furthermore it is sometimes helpful to give a descriptive genre to music, it can help in finding other music that you like and also brings with it a set of associations - to classify is only human!

However, getting hung on genres and then trolling and bitching etc is a complete waste of time that shows an immaturity and, to be frank, surplus of time.

Besides, as the chems say... Love is all.

"If Tom and Ed really did visit this forum as Milico or whatever, id bet they are disappointed in most of their so called "fans". I would be. Id make the music for myself, and just tour. The real fans will be at the shows instead of nagging back in forth at one another like we're a dysfunctional family."

Uhm... first off, Tom & Ed do visit the forums. The also visit with their fans. You have any idea what percentage of this message board has actually hung out with them? No, no you don't. Or the insanely cool things that they have actually done for us? Nope, you don't know that either. I could tell you, but the Brothers are modest and it would embarass them if I told you.

You make a couple of valid points, a few not so valid points, and some that are so far off the mark as to be ludicrous.

I suggest you read a little more before you go trying to tell us what our 'philosophy' should be.

But yes, they are disappointed in Slipvin, I'll give you that.

Finally someone who talks sense.

Wait, did you just call me God's pet hampster? You motherf...

But since you're into Lucky Monkeys I forgive you.

Dear god Analog , you sound like me when i'm on my period and i just feel like ranting and moaning about unimportant things hahaha.

Just kidding , i understand you needed to speak you're mind.

I have to say i agree about the fact that the Chems are not to be put in boxes. Ive been trying to say that for....well , for a long time. This whole Minimal Scminimal discussion makes me so tired.

And yeah , music is everything to me. Music is the world. Whenever i feel shit and down and horrible , music is always there for me. Music never leaves me. Music is never mad at me.I never have to say goodbye to music. Music is that comforting thing in my life thats always there and has helped me in so many ways. Music is everything to me.

And that is one reason why i love this forum so much.

Let me tell you a little something about a conversation i had with Ed Chemical.

We were talking about how music can help you trough everything. I told him how Surface to Air helped me so much when i was really down , and he told me a similar thing. He also said that he visits the forum a lot ebcause they get a lot out of it. That the fans are really important to them. I am also embaressed when there is all this flaming going on , because i know Ed and Tom read it. But truth is , they are mucisians. They expose theirselves trough their music. And then that happends you HAVE to accept criticism. As long as its not "YOU GUYS SUCK!" for no particulair reason.

I dont have all the Chems singles. I'm not a big collecter. There's Chems track ive never even heard of. Ive been to quite a lot of shows , about 10 in total , and yes , i am totally addicted to the board.

Why ?

I like being part of something. I admit. Yes i feel special that i am part of this little community. I am happy because i met my best friend on this forum. And i dont call people "friends" easily. I met another friend here that i care a lot about. I met amazing people. And with "meeting" i mean real life meeting.

Ive been modelling for 4 years , and it were 4 amazing , but also lonely and hard years. Ive been away from my friends for 4 long years , and that resulted in me not having many friends right now. The board and the people on it , the discussions , the buzzed posts , the excited reviews of Chems gigs , have always been there , togheter with the music.

I'm not trying to be dramatic , and i actually thing you made a very good , phylosopic poiint , but i would like to give you an insight of WHY people are proud to be part of this community.

Thats it =) Free hugs to all!

hmm i'm still decieding whether i want to write an essay here or not. but i'll say this, I agree with you about fans of chems shouldn't really be nagging instead opening their arms and welcoming newbs who might be new into chems but if someone talks shit about chems then you have to step up and be able to kick their ass. Keyboard warriors unite.

and by the way, do it again is not minimal...for crying out loud open your damn ears people.

Slipvin: Lucky Monkeys?! In my mind that is the name of an incarnation of Fluke..... :>

I think anyone without a comma in their post count talking about what the forum should or shouldn't be is lolertastic, but you guys amuse yourselfs.

"<<>> Slipvin: Lucky Monkeys?! In my mind that is the name of an incarnation of Fluke....."

Bjango! I knew you'd know what I was on about!

What's your fav Fluke album then?

none

it's all good, it's all ok.

i want the fuckin album. and fast! i CANT wait!

was hearing all the b sides today, and heard do it again after a long time loud on my big speakers - oh my - i absolutely can't believe what's gonna happen to us come flamin june! we're all gonna fuckin die! the chems are certainly taking a new path again, and it's gonna tear me to pieces i know. i almost had a fuckin weird moment of insane realisation today morning first thing - it was the first time it really hit me that my life's gonna change again come june - the new album's gonna give me a new piece of my life - i can feel it with that single - it's fuckin AH ... FRESH. :)

Analog - if you think what's gone on here is bad, this place can't hold a candle to what went on with the Chemical Brothers old mailing list. ;) Yes, a forum *can be* about discussion and problem solving. But a forum is also what you and me and everyone else here make it. Discourse is a good thing whether discussing how a song makes you feel, whether it's good, bad, minimal, shminimal, etc.. I agree the Chems shouldn't be put in boxes because their music transcends musical boundaries. It's one of the things that makes their music so special... to me, anyway. But if someone disagrees with my view, or has something else to add - I don't understand how that would not be worth discussing on a Chemical Brothers forum. And if someone comes along and says ridiculous things just to be a pesitlent little troll and says crap things to get personal, then the poster has the right to defend him/herself. And if the troll says bad things about the Chems that are completely bogus, unfounded and go beyond musical opinions, of course it is easy to ignore and move on and that is probably the more mature thing to do - but at the same time we're here because of one reason, why shouldn't we protect the reason that brought us here to begin with? Then again, I am protective of Tom and Ed. Maybe that's the motherly instinct kickin' in.

But anyway, I won't go into why I love the music and how it's helped me through hard times and why I hold it dear - Jeanie already covered it in that department.

I really dig what you've brought to the table here in this forum so far, and I'm not mad at you or anything because I really do understand where you're coming from being fairly new to posting here and having observed. But I find it really insulting when you say if you were Tom or Ed, you'd be disappointed by their "fans" that post here. I understand what you're getting at - I hate the drama, I hate fighting on the board, and I would rather take the path of least resistance when it comes to potential flame wars. But that's not how life works and that's not how forums work either. People get mad, people lose their temper, people bicker and choose sides and there's always going to be shit stirring. We get over it, life goes on and sooner or later, someone ends up in the buzzed posting thread.

If it were your forum and your fans then you have every right to make that judgment call and I can respect that. But this isn't your forum, this is a Chemical Brothers forum and we're along for the ride to make the most of it that we can, warts and all. Believe it or not Ed does come here from time to time, and Tom makes an appearance once in a blue moon as well. There's plenty of people on this forum that have met Tom and Ed because of this place - and shockingly enough, they know a great deal about who we are just by reading what we post on the board. To me, that's just fuckin' awesome that they care about the people that care about their music.

I believe there is a reason why the new Chems website has all the capabilities and goodies that it does (putting up youtube and photos in the live section for one, Steve Dub recipes for 2, and all the forum content from nearly 5 years has been preserverd for 3) And it's everyone's doing from 1 post to 10,000 posts... and people in charge have been reading and listening. I hate to sound like a post count snob, but I've been a part of this board pretty much since day 1, and have wasted a ridiculous amount of time posting here and still... it is my favorite waste of time. ;) There's great people here, all because one thing brought us here to beging with. Beautiful things have happened because of this place, friendships that have transgressed the forum and spilled over into real time and real life... And above all, I've had the opportunity to go to gigs with some awesome people I met because of this place, and I hope to get that chance again and I know I will. It's all here for the taking, if you let it.

-whirly

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To quote the great Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction: "I don't remember asking you a goddamn thing!" Fluke rocks.

"A forum is really about discussion and problem solving. Not flaming some moron because he is in fact, a moron."

Lulz untrue

forums used to be that way back when the internet first began, perhaps?

however, now they are a playground for off-topic socialism, covered by fanbois of posters saying how a certain poster is god or crap.

I've been on and off this board over the past two years, reading and learning, and have always found something interesting, amusing, shocking and entertaining. In many ways this forum has been enlightening with regards to peoples' interests, feelings and above all, info on the Chemical Brothers, which brings most, if not all, of us here.

As with almost any forum that you spend a lot of time on, you realise that it is an outlet for many people to express what they feel and that's OK regardless of how you might view someone's opinion, although there are certain boundaries that become set as time passes on.

Of course, everyone is welcome to join in discussion and debate but when some people feel the need to take it beyond the boundaries that become set, be it personal (a biggie) or otherwise, then views must be defended.

When people get angry at the boundaries being crossed it really is to be expected.

Bill Hicks: "The ride goes round and round, up and down. And we enjoy that ride."

That said, i haven't got a comma in my post count.

As for the Chemicals being put into a box by musical genre, I think that really they own the fuckin' warehouse.

Charco and Whirls , well said.

I couldn't disagree more with the comma in the post count comment, but then again it doesn't matter what I think/say because I don't have > 1000 posts. I guess I'd better start making more pointless replies so that my view gets counted!

Ok, so that is a silly example, but I hope it shows my point - it's like with relationships, length of time is only one indicator as to its success, it is not the be-all and end-all.

Slipvin: I'm a big fan of almost all of them, I think my order of preference goes: Six Wheels on My Wagon, Puppy, Risotto, Oto, Techno Rose/Out and I'm also a big fan of their new project 2 Bit Pie with the album 2 Pie Island :)

"You have rita who's the annoying little step-child"

haha :=) i liked that :=) i think every forum has to have someone like that :=)