track 10 is called surrender ya? just wondering if anyone else has seen it called racing the tide... my itunes named it that now i kinda like both names. One of my faves from surrender... fits in nicely with a perfect transition from the HBHG ending...



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Yes, there's been talk about the title Racing The Tide here. I believe that was the name given to the track on the Surrender promo, but was changed to Surrender for the official release.



I like the name Racing The Tide but feel the Surrender is a more apt name for the tune. What's great about Surrender is the meaning of the word and how it fits the album as a whole. It's like being out and clubbing or raving or going to a concert and you reach a point in the night where you've completely given your whole being to the music and the atmosphere it has created... I know it's been said that Surrender isn't so much a concept album, but to me it is in a lot of ways. Like any good night out, there are pivitol ups and downs and the Surrender track is that last burst of euphoric surrender you feel just as the night begins to wind down. It fits so well between the peak of Hey Boy Hey Girl and the ease-down-gentle track of Dream On...

I always thought that this name "Racing The Tide" was used in the UK (and Europe) release of the Surrender album. I have no idea as to why they changed it...

And who said Surrender wasn't a concept album? Freaking hell, it has a cohesive feel, to me it's like a soundtrack! Agreed 100% with you on that one! :D

I read in an interview some time ago where the Chems said Surrender wasn't intended to be a concept album.



And it was painstaking, but I had to find the interview or I'd be up all night wondering about it. So yeah, my perspective differs slightly from Ed's :P



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Many of the reviews of Surrender have suggested that it's some sort of concept record, a glance back at the Brothers' history with electronic music. Because it does try to cover so much ground by alluding to so many different musical styles, that would seem to be the case. At the same time, the sound of Surrender only really touches upon on a particular style ? your average suburbanite can't tell house from hard techno from hard trance, and, actually, your average club head can't, either. If there's a concept ? and there's not, according to Simons ? it's that such stupid hairsplitting is completely irrelevant, especially in predominantly instrumental music, and that the ultimate goal of dance music, be it big beat, gabber, goa or garage, is to move 1,000 people in one direction simultaneously. ("The way we make records," says Simons, "practically every track on Surrender, all those tracks were made for us to DJ with, cool records we'd like to play when we're out, whatever time of day it is.")

:o Interesting perspective he gives in this interview, really. But to me, it seems he's talking about this boring media trend of categorising everything they see and listen. Still, I keep my thoughts of Surrender being very well "structured". To me, it's kinda impossible to listen one song alone in the middle of it, it has to be all or nothing, therefore, the "cohesive feel" I mentioned the earlier post.

Cool interview this one you dug up, whirly!

Yeah, it really annoys me how everything must be categorised. I think its more of a trend of alot of the junk coming out today lacking originality and therefore similar and easily categorisable. :?



One of the things I love about the Chems is that every song on an album is unique to all the others, and even all there songs off all the albums are quite different for the most part. I really like the trend of having at least one nice vocal piece on every album and the like. It gives their albums that 'chemical' feel and you just know its going to be quality

Yeah, I remember when I was really starting to dive head first into the Chemical Brothers and I was scouring the internet trying to read everything I could. I haven't read many articles (then) or since that talk about any Chemical Brothers album being a concept, although I've always viewed Surrender in that light - I think that's why I remembered the interview... I agree that Surrender has a very cohesive feel and I've always felt like the album sums up - from start to finish - a night of getting ready then going clubbing or raving or simply being out til the sun comes up. 1999, what an eye opening, ear opening year of rebirth that was. But when I first heard it, the memories of all the times I went out prior came flooding back. Love.

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Yeah, it really annoys me how everything must be categorised. I think its more of a trend of alot of the junk coming out today lacking originality and therefore similar and easily categorisable. :?

I think good music - no, great music - in an ideal world really be caught in the trappings of categorizing, but I do find myself still doing it. :-// There are some bands that definitely fall into certain categories, but as music is like a living history that changes and bands evolve, it's not always fair to pigeonhole the music especially when the artists are trying to expand their musical horizons. Chems may have been big beat or trip hop or whatever back then, but it's an injustice to keep them pegged in those categories. I spent far too long working in a record store where everything was categorized into oblivion. I suppose it helps organize things, and knowing genres and suggesting similar music does come in handy. But breaking things down into this and that gets tedious and it becomes overwhelming... It's not like in the late 80's and early 90's when all electronic music in any form etc was placed under the giant umbrella of "techno" and later on the ever-so-lazy term "electronica"... I will have to disagree that the music today that seems to lack originality and is easier to categorize is a trend - shit music's always been around and has always been categorized in some way. But it's like I mentioned earlier - music is a living history that evolves so it's only natural that genres start sprouting branches and leaves over time.

yeah i always though racing the tide was some name that someone gave to the track and pirated but I have the surrender promo and when you do the track it calls it racing the tide, makes more sense

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Yeah, it really annoys me how everything must be categorised. I think its more of a trend of alot of the junk coming out today lacking originality and therefore similar and easily categorisable. :?

I think good music - no, great music - in an ideal world really be caught in the trappings of categorizing, but I do find myself still doing it. :-// There are some bands that definitely fall into certain categories, but as music is like a living history that changes and bands evolve, it's not always fair to pigeonhole the music especially when the artists are trying to expand their musical horizons. Chems may have been big beat or trip hop or whatever back then, but it's an injustice to keep them pegged in those categories. I spent far too long working in a record store where everything was categorized into oblivion. I suppose it helps organize things, and knowing genres and suggesting similar music does come in handy. But breaking things down into this and that gets tedious and it becomes overwhelming... It's not like in the late 80's and early 90's when all electronic music in any form etc was placed under the giant umbrella of "techno" and later on the ever-so-lazy term "electronica"... I will have to disagree that the music today that seems to lack originality and is easier to categorize is a trend - shit music's always been around and has always been categorized in some way. But it's like I mentioned earlier - music is a living history that evolves so it's only natural that genres start sprouting branches and leaves over time.

categories are convenient, nothing more. they intend to define nothing.







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I was about to go on a long and poetic rant but restrained myself.

I believe that RACING THE TIDE name has been left officially in the JAPANESE version of album Surrender.

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I believe that RACING THE TIDE name has been left officially in the JAPANESE version of album Surrender.

That's because the japanese kill themselves instead of Surrendering, and the chems didn't wanna cause that.

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I believe that RACING THE TIDE name has been left officially in the JAPANESE version of album Surrender.

That's because the japanese kill themselves instead of Surrendering, and the chems didn't wanna cause that.

X-D

Oh my god, that made me laugh so hard I nearly fell off my chair!!

Well, I have no big problems with categorising, but the media tends to restrain the artists in one style, so when they do something different, they get hammered. That's the awful side of this rush to categorise every freaking thing.

And 'stash, that really makes sense, I think you're right! X-D

That song is SO fuckin "SURRENDER"!

if you are ever racing the tide, just make sure you don't crash into the terminal tower.

also it does say it on the promo album...



I don't know.... Surrender seems just like something they added last minute, and probably was since the promo had the other name. i think the album name surrender is evident in the fact that many of the songs are about certain related feelings: responding to music, being under the influence, being out of control, letting forever be, sleeping from day, getting glint, and dreaming on.

I actually think 'Surrender' is one of the weakest tracks on the album (the other weak tracks being 'Dream On' and 'Asleep From Day').

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@Slipvin : Are u kiddin me man? Surrender's a brilliant track! But then I never find any Chems songs weak. But honestly Surrender and Got Glint are two of the most beautiful tracks on that disc full of gems!