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#41 Thor_Saytyr   User is offline

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Posted 02 December 2004 - 5:58 PM

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Fully agree that mainstreamification (yes, new word!) tends to dilute any genre's sound and integrity, but unfortunately, it's a struggle enough to get any decent dance records over here as it is. I can't imagine if dance "died" in its heartland how stranded North Americans would be. Thankfully we get some imports in Canada, but they're far and few between (which is why I jumped on the first copies of Primal Scream: Live In Japan and Kasabian: Kasabian as soon as I could; still, no Chikinki or Mylo as of yet). Absolutely no real distrubution over here, no critical mass for popularity. I can get Basement Jaxx, Chems, Prodigy, Crystal Method, but anything new? If I want to wait a year or so.




Ever take a gander at the 'electreonica' section in stores like HMV and or Music World? An absolute joke! If you want any good CDs you must order them from Europe, which is usually hella' expensive and takes time. Also, at some places they mixed the hip hop/rap section with the "dance" section. A bloody disgrace }:-@



The best coporate music chain that sells decent music here is A&B sound.

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Posted 02 December 2004 - 6:42 PM

Out where I live, there are few music stores. Chains like the one I work in, and my store being so massive have pushed the smaller chains and other indie stores out of business. The surviving indie stores are pretty much niche markets and you have a drive out of your way to get to them. And even still the selection is always hit and miss. As karma would have it, even the largest of record stores like mine are having trouble staying in business because there are megamarts like Best Buy, Target, Wal-Mart that can afford to sell their music at below cost.



With my store (Tower) we have a decent sized electronic music section and the person that runs it, this kid Darin, really cares about what's in his section and tries to keep a wide variety of stuff in stock - to the best of his ability and as much as allowed under the radar. The original goal of the store, from back to the beginning, was to have enough people working there that were "specialists" in certain types of music. These people knew the demographic, knew their music, and knew what to stock. But things have changed. The problem with chain stores is that for the most part, the buying/selection is not in the hands of the individual store anymore. Chains don't have room for that much autonomy, and all the buying is centralized. Meaning: replenished automatically with a system which we call Phoenix.



Stores like mine are ready to grab a quick buck just to stay afloat in the competition with the Best Buys and Wal-Marts, so the focus is primarily on new releases - the BIG new releases new are a sure-thing money maker, so corporate chains will play up on it. That's part of the reason why my store received, no joke - 800 copies of the new Eminem, over 650 copies of the new U2, over 600 copies of the new Gwen Stefani. Not to mention all the advertising materials for those bands I was forced to hang all over the store. As if the above bands wouldn't sell themselves on their names only, it has to be shoved down your throat when you walk into a music store! It's sad and disgusting, because this practice edges out any chance for a smaller, lesser known band from ever getting a chance to make it. Record companies pay stores like mine a crapload of money just for advertising and for a spot on an endrack - and labels won't take that chance on less popular artists because it's not a sure thing. I'm sure it's this way with most major chains and why the selection is weak is certain genres like dance. If you think that's bad, try checking out the classical music section in your nearest record store chain. It's fuckin preposterous.



Record store chains are told what to do, cuz the money talks. There's also the issue with accessibility. Out of sight, out of mind. Corporate chains like mine feel if you don't see it, you won't ever hear it, and that's just as well cuz you don't need to anyway because they aren't u2 and aren't making them a shitload of money anyway. And they like it that way. If one store can generate can thousands of dollars on a sure thing, why should they care about less popular bands.



OK, my rant of the day is over for now. I'm just getting more and more frustrated with my job and my store, it hasn't always been the way it is...



Oh, and one more thing - regarding Kasabian. All us in the US can snag an import of this. It comes with a dvd and it's a decent price considering. But there won't be a domestic release of this until May. Maybe March if BMG gets its shit together but I highly doubt it.
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Posted 02 December 2004 - 7:25 PM

Interesting...

There are indie music stores here, but they tend to be more expensive than regular stores. I am going to try and purchase my music online now, giving my hard earned cash straight to the artist or label. For example, Warps Bleep seems to be a great alternative because the income (to my knowledge) goes straight to them, and not a percentage taken off by the music chain. Also one of my mates downloads albums and then sends the artist(s) a check so it is guranteed that artist will get what they deserve.

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Posted 02 December 2004 - 8:00 PM

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watch out for FC/Kahuna, they are fantastic, although some of their stuff is stolen from Tom and Ed ;-)


What kind of music do FC/Kahuna make? Is it breaky, quirky, airy, dirty/acid, what's it like?

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Posted 02 December 2004 - 8:05 PM

It's sad that indie stores are forced to be more expensive than chains or megamarts. I think that's the way it's always been. They have to pay rent and they have very little overhead in comparison to larger stores - they have nothing else to fall back on. Plus they have to pay out employees. It's always tough on small business.



I don't really like to buy stuff online. I like going into a store and picking whatever it is off the shelf, then buying it. Maybe that's the woman in me, you know... all women love to shop!! ;) Because I work in a music store, I rarely even buy cd's anymore but when I do I get a nice discount. I get a lot of promos too which is nice. But more and more I like going to stores that sell used cd's. I love Ameoba records up in Los Angeles, but I rarely get up there. It's huge, there's always a ton of stuff, there's always lots of people in there digging for their next gem, I can trade in music I don't listen to, and there's plenty of records waiting for a good home.
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Posted 02 December 2004 - 10:04 PM

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Boy with the Golden Eyes Escribi�:

watch out for FC/Kahuna, they are fantastic, although some of their stuff is stolen from Tom and Ed ;-)


What kind of music do FC/Kahuna make? Is it breaky, quirky, airy, dirty/acid, what's it like?




i dont agree that fc/kahuna have ever stollen from the chems. they are in similar world and have a very similar history. they do the same kinda shit. but i never thought machine says yes was trying to be in anyway a chemical brothers rip off



chemicalfan do yourself a favour go down the shop tomorrow and buy yourself 'machine says yes' you will not be sorry
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Posted 02 December 2004 - 10:09 PM

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chemicalfan do yourself a favour go down the shop tomorrow and buy yourself 'machine says yes' you will not be sorry




I'll second that!
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Posted 02 December 2004 - 10:34 PM

Hmm, will add it to my christmas list!!

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Posted 03 December 2004 - 12:06 AM

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Hmm, will add it to my christmas list!!

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you should do that. it is one of the most underrated dance albums ever.



btw, when i wrote that they stole from tom and ed, that was no offence against them as i -mentioned that- love that album, as one of very few germans (it has never officially been released here). but if you listen to it, you'll find that it is build up quite similiar or close to surrender and some of their songs are definitely inspired by got glint, sunshine underground or asleep from day. as well, they've mentioned before, that they did some stealin from tom and ed - which is okay. talent borrows. genius steals.



i wish much more people would know about FC/Kahuna... :(
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Posted 03 December 2004 - 12:09 AM

I just wish there were more tracks like "Hayling" on the album... :?

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Posted 03 December 2004 - 12:13 AM

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you should do that. it is one of the most underrated dance albums ever.



i wish much more people would know about FC/Kahuna... :(




too true!!! i love the kahunas. i been listening to them for for over 5 years and got to see them dj quite a few times!! i aslo saw their 3rd ever live show which was pretty spot on!!! machine says yes was my album of the year in 2002, sorry come with us!!!



i hoped when they left city rockers to got to skint they would get the recognition they deserved but it didn't happen. i hope they are working on a new album!!!
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Posted 03 December 2004 - 12:34 AM

Glitterball is like a giant glintball! Very got glint? inspired but not a rip off. I'd say it's a nod! 8)



FC/Kahuna are great, I wouldn't have given them a listen if it weren't for sneaker pimping out how good they were all those months ago! I love their sonic-scapes.
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Posted 03 December 2004 - 12:43 AM

FC Kahuna = wicked







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Posted 03 December 2004 - 12:48 AM

nice wallpaper!!
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Posted 03 December 2004 - 12:50 AM

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nice wallpaper!!




ahhh, yes...that would be at my friend's old house. I think they should have glued more CDs to the wall.

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Posted 03 December 2004 - 10:38 AM

okay, make this the official kahuna-thread ;-)



where can i get THIS shirt? i love it but haven't seen it ever so far... want this one!

next, what i also love on FC/Kahuna, next to their music of course, is, that they release 7"-singles. i've always loved 7"es and always am a little sad that tom and ed only had some promotional ones but never official 7" releases



sneaker - machine says yes album of the year 2002? uhm... probably. yes
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Posted 06 December 2004 - 1:54 PM

Hopefully PTB will bring something new to dance and inspire an explosion in people making electronic music!

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Posted 06 December 2004 - 6:42 PM

Coincidentally, Machine Says Yes is the last album I bought. Now what to buy this week........?

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 1:51 AM

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Coincidentally, Machine Says Yes is the last album I bought. Now what to buy this week........?




the secret machines!
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 4:48 AM

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Darkstarexodus Escribi�:

Coincidentally, Machine Says Yes is the last album I bought. Now what to buy this week........?




the secret machines!




Aha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Shoot Speed: More Dirty Hits" is here!!!! After a four month wait, my Japanese Primal Scream arrived. I was debating over a couple albums today when I checked on this one and it finally came! Maybe Secret Machines next payday!



(I knew if I bitched about waiting for Shoot Speed on this board enough it would come sooner or later.... )

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