I just noticed The Meth re-released Legion of Boom in a 5.1 channel DTS surround mix. I'm geeked. But, my favorite group is un-accounted for. At least to my knowledge.



Question: It seems like there are so many new avenues to pursue in electronica / techno with a 5.1 channel surround format. Are the Chems, or other any other artist you can think of starting to take this seriously? Is any development being done in 5.1 channel sound? If not, for god sakes WHY!!!



Gerb ;-)

I think amon tobin released a 5.1 surround sound dvd of chaos theory

Mixing in 5.1 is such a pain in the ass. Normally, you've only got to worry about panning left and right, but in 5.1, you've got to worry about the actual surround position of a sound. Plus, you've got to check for backwards compatibility. For example, if you mix in stereo, you've got to check it in mono as some sounds can disappear completetly coz of phase. In surround, you'd have to check it in stereo and mono, and if you've got problems it'll be a real pain to solve.



It's not as simple as you think

chemicalfan Escribi�:

Mixing in 5.1 is such a pain in the ass. Normally, you've only got to worry about panning left and right, but in 5.1, you've got to worry about the actual surround position of a sound.

Hmm, I thought that would be the fun part.

chemicalfan Escribi�:

Plus, you've got to check for backwards compatibility. For example, if you mix in stereo, you've got to check it in mono as some sounds can disappear completetly coz of phase. In surround, you'd have to check it in stereo and mono, and if you've got problems it'll be a real pain to solve.



It's not as simple as you think.

Perhaps I am over simplifying things. I sucked at making music so concentrate on designing equipment for playback.



At some point we need to say screw backward compatibility. The new format gets played through a new system. If you don't have that system then don't buy the surround track. But then you need to worry about limiting record sales. That's what makes dual disc so favorable. You can sell the new surround mix to people who have the equipment AND to those who don't have it yet but might have it soon.



I'm assuming that if there was real interest by artists to mix surround tracks that someone would come through and develop an editing software to make life easier. Again, I may be over simplifying things due to my ignorance.



This is spoken from someone who really digs 5.1 channel format music and is utterly disgusted with the amount of material offered so far. There was this huge push to sell equipment a few years back stating that it was the latest and greatest. I made the leap into it and got hooked. Then the recording industry pulled the plug.



Fuggers.



Gerb }:-)

The 5.1 format is amazing, it is all engulfing. There's a few types of discs that offer 5.1 - dts Audio, Super Audio (Sony) and dvd Audio. When the Sony Auper Audio discs were first launched, they were pimped as being the next big thing, the "audiophile's dream". And they are... if you were to sit down in one spot for an extended period of time and give the music your complete, undivided attention - the same as you do when you watch an engrossing film, or a music dvd that has 5.1 surround.



There's nothing wrong with that approach to music, it's all good if that's how you want to listen to it.



Newer dvd players can play some discs in 5.1, and now that some automobiles (the higher end cars, esp. the luxury suv's) are equipped with 5.1 capabilites - so there is now more accessibility to this type of listening experience.



Super Audio discs *usually* have dual capabilites - they can be played on a 5.1 system or on a standard stereo. Dual Disc is taking off, lots of new issues as well as reissues of stuff coming out. However, Dual Disc is a slightly format and as of now, not really something I'd classify as being in the 5.1 like dts, Super Audio, or dvd Audio... Dual Discs generally have the album redcording (stereo) on one side and dvd material to be viewed (sometimes in 5.1) on the other side.



It seems out of the entire 5.1 audio format, the Super Audio discs are the ones that sell the most.



Jeez, I sound like an infomercial. Sorry.



In regards to the Chems, they've been asked if they would record something in 5.1 and their answer, at the time (a few years ago) was basically "no" and that it was a challenge enough for them to record in stereo. They wanted to push the stereo format as far as they could. So that even on a crappy boombox with only 2 little speakers, the music would sound good.



We'll just have to wait and see, and if they decide to experiment with 5.1 we won't hold them to what they said a few years ago. ;) Things were different then. It would be interesting to hear, that's for sure. If they can sound as good as they are in stereo, I'd almost be frightened to hear what they could do in 5.1!

whirlygirl Escribi�:

We'll just have to wait and see, and if they decide to experiment with 5.1 we won't hold them to what they said a few years ago. ;) Things were different then. It would be interesting to hear, that's for sure. If they can sound as good as they are in stereo, I'd almost be frightened to hear what they could do in 5.1!

Now that's what I'm talking about 8) .



Sorry I cut out your short history on multichannel surround formats. I'm well versed on that stuff. I'm just waiting for more artists to make use if it!!! :'(



Gerb

TheFlamingDead_ Escribi�:

I think amon tobin released a 5.1 surround sound dvd of chaos theory

You're right. I have the CD version of Chaos Theory and the 5.1 Audio DVD, and there really is a huge difference. When I saw him live, there was also 5.1 sound but the speakers were not good placed (it was a festival) so I couldn't hear the 5.1 difference.

I've only heard In search of by N.E.R.D. in 5.1 surround and that's a real weird sounding album in 5.1 It seems that there are musicians are plced at specific points. I think I like the stereo version better.

I keep meaning to get Orbital - The Altogether in 5.1, but I don't have a surround set-up so it would be a bit pointless. I've heard that it's mindblowing though, so maybe I need to find someone with a surround set-up that I could borrow

chemicalfan Escribi�:

I keep meaning to get Orbital - The Altogether in 5.1, but I don't have a surround set-up so it would be a bit pointless. I've heard that it's mindblowing though, so maybe I need to find someone with a surround set-up that I could borrow

The altogether is indeed a wicked album in 5.1 but the best album i have ever heard on 5.1 is Yoshimi battles the pink robots by the Flaming lips.



Even if you dont like the Lips you cant help but be blown away by this album on 5.1

aphex, was Yoshimi.. released specially as 5.1?

just tried converting influenced from stereo to 5.1. Seemed pretty straight foward, just needs a lot of work on the bass now. at the moment all the speakers are crackling from the massive amounts of bass being pumped through each speaker. I'll restrict to only he subwoofer and remaster the remaining channels over the weekend. so with any luck it'll sound good by the end of the weekend. hope no-one minds. especially TOM and ED if you read this.

mc marsh Escribi�:

aphex, was Yoshimi.. released specially as 5.1?

Errrm... the cd was done first and people just thought how amazing it would sound in 5.1 i think... ive never heard anything like it in my life!



They also did an album with 4 cd's where you needed 4 cd players to listen to it to get the full effect of the album

enthalpy Escribi�:

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enthalpy Escribi�:

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HTTP proxy server is a proxy allowing to work on the Internet with HTTP and (not always) FTP protocols. It can carry out caching of information downloaded from the Internet.Now HTTP proxy servers are the most widespread. Their support (ability to use them) is included into many programs: browsers, download managers etc. However, their support is not realized at a level of an operating system ? in order to use them, you should configure all programs, which should use proxies, in an appropriate way. HTTP proxy servers have several anonymity levels.



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Lol, I was thinking the same thing but didn't feel like saying anything because it was so wierd.



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5.1 is good but in the current situation it seems that older artists who want to rerelease music and who want to give something new to the fans tend to use 5.1/surround mixes. I have a rolling stones sympathy for the devil sacd which is a hybrid disc, so it works on standard hi-fis and on a 5.1 player. It seems both benefit from a better sound. The sound seems better than on usual cd, even on a regular hi-fi, especially a guitar solo in one of the tracks which sounds more 'realistic' to a live sound than on a regular cd. There is also the DVD audio format, which is better than dolby 5.1, but you need a dedicated dvd audio player to fully appreciate that, and of course for all surround you need to have accurate speaker placement to hear the sound as intended. Beck's Guero had a two disc version with a dvd disc that had the sound in 5.1 and dvd audio. Then there's also the higher price. In the long run these newer formats are 'better' because at the end of the day us consumers will want better sound quality if the technology can offer it. Chems would be interesting but I don't think the surround formats are widespread enough at the moment but imagine come inside with the bass drum thud hammering from your sub-woofer?!

demlk Escribi�:

just tried converting influenced from stereo to 5.1. Seemed pretty straight foward, just needs a lot of work on the bass now. at the moment all the speakers are crackling from the massive amounts of bass being pumped through each speaker. I'll restrict to only he subwoofer and remaster the remaining channels over the weekend. so with any luck it'll sound good by the end of the weekend. hope no-one minds. especially TOM and ED if you read this.

What software are you using? I've considered trying the same thing.



Gerb

aphextwins Escribi�:

chemicalfan Escribi�:

I keep meaning to get Orbital - The Altogether in 5.1, but I don't have a surround set-up so it would be a bit pointless. I've heard that it's mindblowing though, so maybe I need to find someone with a surround set-up that I could borrow

The altogether is indeed a wicked album in 5.1 but the best album i have ever heard on 5.1 is Yoshimi battles the pink robots by the Flaming lips.



Even if you dont like the Lips you cant help but be blown away by this album on 5.1

Also excellent are the re-releases of REM's catalogue on Warners.

The High Resolution Surround Sound mixes are mindblowing. If you like that type of music.