Not sure if anyone on the forum is a into this kinda thing or knows much about it? At the moment for me attending an illegal rave or teknival is really appealing to me, seems like a good way to here different music with a cheaper cost!



Can anyone shed any infomation about finding there locations and muscial expectations or any expereinces they have had?



I was out in Portsmouth a little while back and a guy was telling me there was massive rave going on that weekend in wales, I asked him how to find out about that kinda thing and he said its about who you know and that its well worth making the effort to find out. The guy made it sound really exciting.



I know little about the history except stories such as Eds in mixmag (may 2006), anyone know where I can learn more?

While I don't know anything about these, I was wondering if you could please post the interview from the mixmag. It sounds like an interesting topic.

All i know that in the summer of '89 u could find them close to then M25 highway. But that would be traveling back in time 8O

I've been to plenty of raves from the ticket holder massives to the weekly ones in run down buildings to the map point ones to a couple that were shut down by the fire department. Not to mention a few that probably should've been shut down by the authorities.



I am of the opinion that if you enjoy this type of music, then a rave is something you should experience. It's a different vibe than a club - anything goes - and it's a different vibe than a festival. A rave is its own entity, it's own culture that orbits the music. But I think it's important to embrace all this raveness or whatever, with an open mind. There is no escaping the fact that no matter how much the music is loved, the drugs are one of those aspects of the culture. There are a lot of drugs at raves. A lot of young people on drugs, a lot of people go just to be on drugs - so if seeing people drugged up in a club bothers you, it'll be that much worse at a rave. You just have to keep it cool, in my experience people on drugs at raves will not judge you and you are not there to judge but to get something from the experience. Also with the illegal raves, you have to prepare yourself of the fact that it's likely word will get out and it will get shut down. But it's all in the experience, that element of danger!



Before the internet we would find out about raves by going to independent record or clothing shops and sifting through all the rave fliers that were scattered by the door ways. There was also a shop that had fliers called Dr. Freecloud's Mixing Lab run by Ron D Core (a local DJ who used to play a lot of raves, more of the hardcore type), and they used to have a sea of these fliers. It was just a matter of picking and choosing which one you wanted to go to. A lot of the fliers did not give a epcific location but instead gave a map point - usually a store front. You go between a certain time, slip them the cash and they slip you a wrist band or tickets and a map of where you need to go. This old and tried method was actually my last rave - it was held in an old Russian art school in downtown Los Angeles, smack dab in the midst of an urban neighborhood. It was really strange but it was a lot of fun actually. I was 28 at the time, likely one of the oldest there, and perfectly sober ;)



All in all, I myself burned out on raves. It is a young high energy culture, and it's exciting but the burnout factor is high. In my opinion it is best to experience them and see for yourself, and take them in small doses. Sorry, no real help on the UK front but just offering my California perspective.

In France, legal teknivals are regularly organised, and there are many many people (I think I remember last time there was about 80 000 people). As for in England, and for illegal ones, search the internet, google is your friend, I'm sure you will find plenty of infos ;)

I just found out about one the end of next month, taking place in a barn, putting on by a friend of a friend of a friend, sort of thing. Looks like 16 DJs, 2 days, rural, pancake breakfast, might be renting a bus to get out there. Nice and cheap.



Sounds good.



In order to find these things, the real underground ones, not the flyered, $25+ ticketed ones, you really have to know people who are into the scene. Know people who put on parties, people who DJ, people who deal drugs.

Back when I was 17 some old friends told me about this illegal rave out in a small wearhouse buliding in a large paddock. Apparantly the guy who planned it stole like 3 cars the weekend before as their get away cars (pretty stupid if you ask me) We were planing on going if we could get in contact with the guy who said he would give us the details when he found out on the night but the police found out about it really early and I don't even think it took place.



But I guess I've done the illegal thing before with our school formals. I've been to three after parties and they are usually in some wearhouse. You ring up some number on the night and there was usually some recorded message of the map reference in the Melways (city map). Not much drugs just service of alcohol to minors. Not the firendly 'there for the music' crowds either so a lot of fights would start out 'cos there where no sercuirty.

I'm not really sure about illegal raves playing house/techno music but the Psy Trance/Acid Techno underground scene is really big and there's loads of warehouse parties and outdoor raves going on right now... I've got friends of friends who are into that sort of thing and they're there every weekend, all weekend!



Check Psy websites and forums for loads of info about when and where they're happening...

There are loads around the M25 - particularly Hampshire!

Illegal raves are soooooooo much better than any club.

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I figure, he's closer in age to most of the ravers than I am, and he wants to see a 'concert' with lasers so bad... but it's $50, and if we get there and it's too dodgy, we'd have to bail, and then we'd be out $150.

'92, '93, '94 were big rave years for my brother and me (by proxy ;) I never went to a single party) when I still lived in Canberra. Fucking maaaaad close-knit scene down there then. It was all about the latest tunes, mix tapes, and making tunes on the Amiga for me! I still have some of the flyers kicking around somewhere too. My brother moved to Perth in '95 and still kept up with the scene over there until '99 when he moved OS.



Local DJ's included Chris Fresh, Roger Ramjet, Speedloader. Ahhhhh memories, most good, alot bad though. The rave scene was an escape from the metal and hiphop knobs who dominated Canberra and Australia in the 90's. However those very same fuckhead homies and arsehat bogans eventually discovered the scene, brought their religion of booze with them and turned everything to shit.

i got a question.....what exactly is "illegal" about illegal raves? i know drugs would be the easy answer, but is that it? Because if it is, then thats pretty gay :?

nevermind, this is whats illegal about raves



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There's a lot of things that make illegal raves illegal - the main one being the organizers of the even not obtaining a permit.

whirlygirl Escribi�:

There's a lot of things that make illegal raves illegal - the main one being the organizers of the even not obtaining a permit.

alright, but in general, its basically just one "big party", right?.... do you really need a permit for that?



how i see it is, that its no different from a giant college frat house party, where underaged drinking occurs and weed is a plenty (except in a rave youll probably be taking "E" rather then smoking weed.)



but yet, authorities will turn their shoulders for the frat party, yet not the secret "rave" party

No, a slight difference between raves and a frat party. Illegal raves (here in the States) usually have a gathering of 50 or more people. Though illegal, there is some type of fee (you have to pay for the entertainment somehow) To have an organized event of 50 or more, you need a permit. There are different scenarios - these gatherings take place in campgrounds, old abandoned buildings (which are usually condemned or should be and that's why the fire department is likely to show up) or giant warehouses that are not equipped to handle large capacity crowds that are likely to cause a public disturbance on account of the noise level.



I do agree that a frat party will get off lightly compared to an illegal rave. I really think it's because frat parties are college tradition and raves are not. I believe it has a hell of a lot to do with the drug aspect of raves - permit events are controlled to some degree whereas illegals are not so it can be a breeding ground for drug use. Lots of young kids go to raves whereas older kids attend frat parties. The reality is, because drugs are a big part of he rave culture, you'll see kids of 15 years old tripping balls on 5 hits of ecstasy, not drinking enough water, and disaster strikes and next thing you know you're hearing about it on Fox news undercover schpeels about the dangers of raves and how horrible the whole scene is. Meanwhile the odd frat party gets off with a slap on the wrist - and barely makes the news even if some girl gets raped by the entire Lacrosse team... K - I'm ranting, I'll stop. X-D

whirlygirl Escribi�:

No, a slight difference between raves and a frat party. Illegal raves (here in the States) usually have a gathering of 50 or more people. Though illegal, there is some type of fee (you have to pay for the entertainment somehow) To have an organized event of 50 or more, you need a permit. There are different scenarios - these gatherings take place in campgrounds, old abandoned buildings (which are usually condemned or should be and that's why the fire department is likely to show up) or giant warehouses that are not equipped to handle large capacity crowds that are likely to cause a public disturbance on account of the noise level.



I do agree that a frat party will get off lightly compared to an illegal rave. I really think it's because frat parties are college tradition and raves are not. I believe it has a hell of a lot to do with the drug aspect of raves - permit events are controlled to some degree whereas illegals are not so it can be a breeding ground for drug use. Lots of young kids go to raves whereas older kids attend frat parties.

thanks for explaining it to me :) .....i dont really have much knowledge of the "rave" scene at all, nor ever really being to one (well there was this one time....long story short, it sucked and i left early).

whirlygirl Escribi�:

The reality is, because drugs are a big part of he rave culture, you'll see kids of 15 years old tripping balls on 5 hits of ecstasy, not drinking enough water, and disaster strikes and next thing you know you're hearing about it on Fox news undercover schpeels about the dangers of raves and how horrible the whole scene is. Meanwhile the odd frat party gets off with a slap on the wrist - and barely makes the news even if some girl gets raped by the entire Lacrosse team... K - I'm ranting, I'll stop.X-D

dont worry, thats exactly what i was thinking as well ;-)

the technical term for them is now 'free partys'.



http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Free_party



We've played at a few in the North West of England. They generally play anything and everything from hard dance/techno/psytrance/d n b/ambient...anything goes really.



The one's we've been involved with have been fantastically organised with stewards/security, a much better atmosphere than most official clubnights.

know on any in the south emmet?