I wish I had the time to dig up some articles, but it's been said (by the band) that Come With Us was made with what people expected of the Chems. Whether or not those 'people' were the industry, the critics or the fans - who knows. What's done is done. They never flat out said it was bad, but they touched on the subject before. We even talked about here, a while ago. The convo was sparked when someone posted an article.



Also in the bio here on the homepage, very little is said about Come With Us.



I like to look at it as a stepping stone, a bridge between the past (90's) to the future, they had been there and done that and there was probably a lot going on in their lives that impacted how the music came out. They could not have gotten where they are now without it and even if they happen to think it's their weakest album (again who really knows?) there's good tracks there and it's nice to see people are loving it. The Chems have nothing to be ashamed of. At all.

whirlygirl Escribi�:

I wish I had the time to dig up some articles, but it's been said (by the band) that Come With Us was made with what people expected of the Chems. Whether or not those 'people' were the industry, the critics or the fans - who knows. What's done is done. They never flat out said it was bad, but they touched on the subject before. We even talked about here, a while ago. The convo was sparked when someone posted an article.



Also in the bio here on the homepage, very little is said about Come With Us.



I like to look at it as a stepping stone, a bridge between the past (90's) to the future, they had been there and done that and there was probably a lot going on in their lives that impacted how the music came out. They could not have gotten where they are now without it and even if they happen to think it's their weakest album (again who really knows?) there's good tracks there and it's nice to see people are loving it. The Chems have nothing to be ashamed of. At all.

That sounds hokey to me. I mean, if Come With Us was an album to satisfy "the people's" expectations (regardless if that means the fans, the critics, or the industry), what are all the other releases suppost to be then? Just albums they made to satisfy themselves, in which just so happend to leaked into the public. I dont think so. Im sure they always considered "the people's" ear (again, whether its the fans, the critics, or the industry), with their music.



If you ask me, its the fans fault for Come With Us not being as succesful as the others. It was the first time The Chemical Brothers were showing significant change in sound, and the fans got upset because they were leaving what they had loved in the past ("big beat" sound).



So if anything, Come With Us is the one album which was not aimed for the fans. It was aimed for change. It could have been something that the industry/critics influenced on them. However, it never seemed to bother Tom and Ed in the past. Which makes me believe that "change," was fully Tom and Ed's idea.



I quote and agree with Whirly when she onced said (I think) "Come With Us was before its time." People were just not ready for change. Its a perfectly great album, but will always be looked down upon because its the one album which "the fans" did not give a warm welcome to.



I love Come With Us :D

OK, I know it's like beating a dead horse n'all, but here's that bit from an interview that mentions, in retrospect, Come With Us - the point is not to argue whether the album is good or bad - it's more to back up my reason for saying what I did in my last post:

Cool or not, the Chemicals suffered their first serious career setback in 2002 when their last studio album, Come With Us , met a largely lukewarm reception from critics and fans. For the first time in a decade Rowlands and Simons seemed to be lagging behind their imitators, losing direction, lacking momentum. At the time they were bullishly defensive, but they now concede the record lacked spark. A painful learning experience, in retrospect.



"Absolutely," nods Simons. "We're pretty proud people so it did hurt us. But with the last three or four years of making music we did get into to trying to second-guess people and make what we thought they wanted. I love all the music we made, but I can see how people may think we were pandering there for a while."



With hindsight, Rowlands agrees. "It's unconscious, but when you think you've made what people want it's easy to be satisfied by that. I feel like we'd got a bit cliched with the psychedelic whimsy and the bombast, the production had gone down a real cul-de-sac. It's easy to dribble on, to just bang them out because youve got a record contract, but we wanted there to be a point to this new record."



The duo blame the apparent water-treading exercise of Come With Us on hitting their late 20s, having children and drifting away from the vibrant London club scene that had long been their lifeblood. "There was a smaller gap between Surrender and Come With Us in terms of development and change," says Simons, "but we started working differently and changed everything. We were left to our own devices more. We got a bit older, spent less time in clubs, didn't spend every day in each others pockets. Things changed."

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I really like CWU, i remember telling Ed I was a big fan of this release.

Bosco Escribi�:

whirlygirl Escribi�:

I wish I had the time to dig up some articles, but it's been said (by the band) that Come With Us was made with what people expected of the Chems. Whether or not those 'people' were the industry, the critics or the fans - who knows. What's done is done. They never flat out said it was bad, but they touched on the subject before. We even talked about here, a while ago. The convo was sparked when someone posted an article.



Also in the bio here on the homepage, very little is said about Come With Us.



I like to look at it as a stepping stone, a bridge between the past (90's) to the future, they had been there and done that and there was probably a lot going on in their lives that impacted how the music came out. They could not have gotten where they are now without it and even if they happen to think it's their weakest album (again who really knows?) there's good tracks there and it's nice to see people are loving it. The Chems have nothing to be ashamed of. At all.

That sounds hokey to me. I mean, if Come With Us was an album to satisfy "the people's" expectations (regardless if that means the fans, the critics, or the industry), what are all the other releases suppost to be then? Just albums they made to satisfy themselves, in which just so happend to leaked into the public. I dont think so. Im sure they always considered "the people's" ear (again, whether its the fans, the critics, or the industry), with their music.



If you ask me, its the fans fault for Come With Us not being as succesful as the others. It was the first time The Chemical Brothers were showing significant change in sound, and the fans got upset because they were leaving what they had loved in the past ("big beat" sound).



So if anything, Come With Us is the one album which was not aimed for the fans. It was aimed for change. It could have been something that the industry/critics influenced on them. However, it never seemed to bother Tom and Ed in the past. Which makes me believe that "change," was fully Tom and Ed's idea.



I quote and agree with Whirly when she onced said (I think) "Come With Us was before its time." People were just not ready for change. Its a perfectly great album, but will always be looked down upon because its the one album which "the fans" did not give a warm welcome to.



I love Come With Us :D

Hey Bosco,



i think you've mentioned some good reasons why CWU wasn't that successful from what they and the fans expected. For the same reason, the one that their album wasn't hold entirly in big beat style as the ones before, i was a bit disappointed when i was listening to this record first. But it was also the time i didn't know anything about the chems and the chronological order of their albums and thought CWU was something of their previous releases.

Ok besides this i was particularly disappointed about the fact that it wasn't like the sound i got used to through DYOH, was missing these fresh and funky beats. It was more like an electronic thing rather big beat.

Well, i think that exactly was my fault, too biased and full of expectations. Consequently, my ears were not open enough to notice the fantastic sound and brilliant structures of that awesome collection of unconventional tracks.

You need an open mind and at that point my mind was a bit too small-minded concerning music and its facets.

Yeah Tom and Ed entered a new terretory musically but were and are still the same (haven't they already done it with Surrender ???), it's just what it is, chemical beats! I mean listen to The Test, listen to Star Guitar or Galaxy Bounce, or Come With Us itself (the part at the 3rd minute i guess, where this awesome break comes in, this is chemical style, this is music!. And that's what i love about the chems, they could be so different but they are the same, non-commercial, fresh and what's the most important thing to me: inspiring! I love their feeling for details and the smallest bleeps and sounds. It's definately a significant mark of CWU. I've never heared artists like them, honestly. And their latest album confirmed that.



And i love it too! And the chems as well, why would they play hoops and star guitar if not . . .

I know of a few people who had to let Come With Us grow on them. To blame the fans for not liking something is a bit harsh imo. Going on my own experience with Come With Us it's not like I've forsaken Tom and Ed. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks. I think more than anything Come With Us took people by surprise because of basing their expectations of the Chemical Brothers' previous works. The Chems are ruled by nobody but themselves, and I am glad to see this album in their career path.



Come With Us taught me to grow to love something, to give music another chance - not discard it and write it off after the first listen. My ears are all the better for giving this album a chance and I'm glad for it. That alone is good enough reason to love and appreciate Come With Us.



The Test is one of my favorite Chemical Brothers collaborations. It spoke so much to me then, and still does.

Well I had a big argument that I had ready to post whirly, but I decided not to post it. It will probably make me seem like I just plain hate the chemical brothers more then like them. I figure we just dont see "eye to eye" on this topic. But of course, your going to get this indifference when, a person such as yourself, who was once disapointed with Come With Us, and me, a person who loved Come With Us from the beggining. Plus, it hurts me too much to keep on bashing heads with the same person, who I really respect in this forum.



Viva la Chemical Brothers!

Honestly, Dig Your Own Hole is the one that took the longest to grow on me. 8O Push the Button was probably the one I took to most immediately, followed by Come With Us.

The first time i listened to CWU it totally blow my mind!!! the same with Surrender and DYOH (as whole albums), not the same with PTB and EPD probably after 5 listens i really appreciate them.

mX. Escribi�:

The first time i listened to CWU it totally blow my mind!!! the same with Surrender and DYOH (as whole albums), not the same with PTB and EPD probably after 5 listens i really appreciate them.

Yeah Push the button took a few listens to grow on me, I remember The Big jump and Marvo ging hit me straight away unlike The boxer and Believe. Like what Sneaker said, Believe needs to be heard on good sound system to be fully appreciated - when I heard it live last March I was well and truly converted! For some reason hearing Chems on the radio makes me appreciate a track more ("this is my band you know!"), so once The Boxer was released I was converted to that as well. So its all good then!

I think Surrender was the album that took the longest to grow on me. Maybe come with us second. I fell in love with the rest straight away I think but I probably consider Dig Your Own Hole and Come With us too be the top two albums...or maybe surrender there too but I also love EPD....AHHH I can't decide! I suck!!! :'(

Come with us was the album that got me into the Chems. Actually My elastic eye was the one song! So come with us was my fave album for a loooooong time. Than i discoverd Surrender and DYOH. This albums...i can't count the times i listenedto them in my bedroom saying to my ex bf " SSH! SSSSSH!!! Listen to this sound! Ow this BEAT!!" Hahahaha.



I think Surrender , CWU and DYOH i took immidiatly. Like i was thirsty and those cd's were my water X-D EPD and PTB took a bit longer to grow on me tbh. Not to long , let's say a few listens and i was in love X-D



The Golden path was somthing that really had to grow on me....but now i LOVE it , esp after seeing it LIVE!

I took to Push The Button immediately. I was waiting with open arms as it was but when I heard it, I was instantly in love.



I really dig The Golden Path, I took to this one right away as well. Such a great great tune. I remember all the arguments, it was painful to read a lot of what was said here all that time ago and I'm hoping that maybe some minds and hearts have softened a bit over time. Hearing it live was an awesome thing - please forgive me... it was like the concert had took on the form of some beat driven psychadelic sermon when that came on!



As I dove head first into the Chems, it was during the Surrender era so that album gravitated toward me - it sounds cheesy but it came to me at a time when I most needed it. As though it was searching me out rather than the other way around. It's just one of those things that's very personal to me, but I never got into it personally with people who don't like the album. It's not worth it, everyone's got their reasons. You can't know what I know unless you can hear through my ears.

Very well said...i had that with PTB to actually. It needed a few listens cause it was "different" but i loved it from the moment i heard the strings of Galvanize till the last sound of Surface to air.



And it's not cheesy Whirly. Music founds you when you need it. You had it with Surrender , i had it with Come with Us when i lived in Paris - i remember the days in the subway with my discman rocking out on Denmark!!! - and eventually last year when i needed it most STA came and saved me hahaha.



Nothing Cheesy Whirly! That's the power of music.

One of the great things about you Jeanie is that you can feel where I'm coming from.



Or you're just as cheesy as I am! X-D



When music has the ability to open up your ears in ways like never before, change your outlook and turn you completely inside out, there aren't enough words in the world that can properly do it justice. And when that happens you know you've got something special. I'm grateful for that...

Fucking hell i'm such a nerd.



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