may have been posted before but its a very well researched,very well put together film. some maybe true,some maybe not but it doesn't stink of "crackpot journalism" to me.....



http://www.policesta...e_change_ii.htm

the idea that 19 amateur pilots armed with box cutters could hit 75% of their intended targets is the most outlandish conspiracy of all.

I would say the best 9/11 related film thus far is "hijacking fear," it makes michael moore look like an infomercial producer, it's just amazing when you think of how this all has happened. I haven't watched that film yet but I will give it a try (all arguments should be given 1 chance)

Is that the M. Moore movie? If you haven't seen this film then i would check it out. Definately worth, and you'll get some interesting information about the connections of Bush and Bin Laden. The difference between Americans and Canadian concerning weapons and their attitudes to them was also new to me. Is that right that Canadian never lock their doors?

I'm interested in seeing this and would like to be able to dedicate some time later on this evening.



I think it's a credit to the growing disenchantment and disillusionment with the US government which brings these ideas to light when for so long they were written off as nothing more than wacked out conspiracy theories. It's also quite timely that this comes out when that dramatized "let's roll" Flight 93 movie is getting a lot of chatter...

Just wondering. If you believe what happened on 9/11 (which I saw happen with my own two eyes, in Washington Square Park in NYC that morning) is fake, and it has all been a big conspiracy by the government(s), why would anyone want to still be in this country? If I believed in the conspiracy, or found out that it was 100% true somehow, I would get the fuck out so fast.

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Just wondering. If you believe what happened on 9/11 (which I saw happen with my own two eyes, in Washington Square Park in NYC that morning) is fake, and it has all been a big conspiracy by the government(s), why would anyone want to still be in this country? If I believed in the conspiracy, or found out that it was 100% true somehow, I would get the fuck out so fast.

If it wasn't so expensive to emigrate, we would have left in 2004.



And it wasn't fake, we know the buildings came down, but what no one knows is who actually brought them down.



My money is on the Mossad acting with the aid of the NSA.

this doc is the only one ive seen that touches on the twin towers gold reserve . which was secret until 9/11 as far as im aware. there were trucks in underground tunnels found by firefighters that were left in the middle of an "evacuation" of the gold. those firefighters were very quickly moved away and government agents sent in to move the gold.





its very frustrating that airing opinions like these in the media immediatly bring the "crackpot" remarks about. its a very well researched and produced film,and although a conspiracy theory can be made out of any major historical event, i think the gains certain people had by either allowing,or orchastrating these events are very compelling.





oh also just remembered,we should all probably say hello to the friendly nsa,or cia or secret service guy who is either in r.a.f brize norton or the various u.s listening posts who is dipping in on the conversation.





god bless america's "war on terror" as we here on the chems forum truly are the worst enemy!!! X-D





p.s, next time your on your cell phone, say the words "bin laden, bomb, plane, explosion," or anything terrorist related, ive been doing it for years,hopefuly if enough people do it it;ll set the automated listening posts off so much that they'll have to cut down on the amount of actual listening they do!

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The difference between Americans and Canadian concerning weapons and their attitudes to them was also new to me. Is that right that Canadian never lock their doors?

Absolute crap. My house is like Fort Knox. My parents set the alarm to active if there's noone on the main floor of the house. They're a little paranoid, mind, but....



Some people don't lock up all the time, but in general, yeah....

I really don't feel like watching this. I mean seems insanely stupid to think that 9/11 was a conspiracy by our government. Whatever. I should see what it has to say before I criticize though.

...Holy fucking shit.

I'm seven minutes in and whoa.

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...Holy fucking shit.

I'm seven minutes in and whoa.

i see another convert then!!



only about 50% of this film is believable fact. taken with other theories though alot is believable.



the towers did not fall on their own. a plane did not hit the pentagon

I'd be interested to watch this but it'd probably make me depressed about the state of the world and society in general... :?

i would be so ashamed to be american, no offence stash/whirly etc.



but f that was my country id leave.

chem'd, no offense taken at all. :)



There are so many "things" I could go on and on about... Some things which are hard to say as someone who is only 2 & 3 generations in as an American and who hasn't seen enough of the world to know how the other half lives - I simply do not know any other way of life really. I wasn't born into poverty, never lived in a war torn country, never faced any blatant discrimination, there's no revolting in the streets. I'm fortunate and sheltered. Some people in my family as Jews had to travel through hell to make it here and from that aspect, I know why they did it and what it means to be an American. I like the idea of America and what it means, from this perspective. But I'd be lying if I said that perspective hasn't changed over the years and tarnished the ideas that both sides of my family had when they first came here. I don't want to be ashamed of who I am - I shouldn't be, people can't help who they are - but I damn well have every right to be ashamed of my government when I feel they should be working for the people and not just their inner circle of cronies. Call them on it. You can only hear so much "if you don't like it, you aren't American, don't like it then get the fuck out" - it's subtle, it's in the media, it's on bumperstickers, it's on signs in store fronts, it's on people's t-shirts, it's yelled at you should you dare go out and protest this stupid fucking war - it beats you down. Times are changing and drifting from the original idea, when the idea of America was based on revolution, inclusion change, acceptance. I can't say I like this change but it has been gradual. Or maybe one day I just woke up and noticed. I don't know, I'm older than most of you here but I'm not *that* old! ;)



For what it's worth, anyone who's been here in this forum since the beginning knows how I feel. I could reiterate, but I've already been blue in the face and I have a headache this morning.



chem'd up, one day I'm gonna get to Ireland and we're gonna have a few beers!

Thanks for posting this, chem'd up.

there is a bit more he could have done with the doc, he still leaves alot to hear'say or the viewers opinion, for example he never actually gives a theory for what hit the pentagon.



i have watched this film twice,and will watch it more times.



with regards to the ny attacks,even watching them in the weeks sfter 9/11 i knew in my gut that those building fell "too well". i mean come on, the buildings are similar,not identical and were hit in totally different places.



anyway im tired,its late,my brain is hurting with the fact that the biggest nuclear power on earth could or would orchastrate the worlds biggest terrorist attack......



the world is a fucking jism filled cunt hole these days

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there is a bit more he could have done with the doc, he still leaves alot to hear'say or the viewers opinion, for example he never actually gives a theory for what hit the pentagon.

Well, he did indirectly suggest that it was a cruise missile.

but then where did the engine come from? cruise missiles use rocket engines not turbine jet engines

They put the engine there, assuming people were too dumb to realize it was from the wrong plane.



I've thought for ages that this was a conspiracy. Like Charlie SHeen said 'the most unbelievable conspiracy theory is that 19 barely trained hijackers with box cutters managed to hit 75% of their targets"